What do we feel about cost of Oud oils?

Discussion in 'General' started by Mr.P, Aug 3, 2016.

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What do we feel about cost of Oud oil?

  1. Way Overpriced

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    37.1%
  2. High

    28 vote(s)
    40.0%
  3. Unreasonable

    3 vote(s)
    4.3%
  4. Fair

    13 vote(s)
    18.6%
  5. Cheap

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  6. Way too cheap

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  1. PEARL

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    Even a blind man can see who he's talking about, so why behave as if he's not saying anything, IMO. Or alluding to anyway, which will leave most confused, based on verbiage and may implicate the wrong person.
     
  2. Ouddict

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    Well we see the same when MOCA is mentioned right??? I'd love it if you could express the same concern for that too. Anyway, those 'who know' know who he is on about and it's a minority.

    But more importantly, if you aren't disturbed by a vendor buying an oil from a distiller and misrepresenting it in order to make a massive mark up, then that's ok. I don't think many others appreciate it. Remember it's not the mark up at issue here - it's the misrepresentation.
     
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  3. Ouddict

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    Not at all JohnH, on the contrary, as Habz786 said, we don't want a flame war, but surely consumers should know if this is happening. Remember, it's not the mark up that is being questioned. It's the misrepresentation in order to make large mark ups. As I said previously, we are not talking about Ensar here just in case anyone thinks this is the case. On the contrary, some of his recent releases have been very good and at a good price.

    @Habz786 - provide JohnH with all the info if he wants it and the background.
     
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  4. m.arif

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    who would leave a comfortable, perfect career to go into the challenging oud industry ? if making lots of money off others is the main objective and motivation then it was not a wise decision at all..
     
  5. Habz786

    Habz786 Resident Artisan

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    The vendor knows who they are. I dont want to start a slug match over 2 forums but the constant digs promoted me to mention this matter as all this mention of policing prices are going on, when infact those very same people in my view are ripping people off by buying oil so cheap and selling x8. If the vendor wishes to join here and is happy to speak about the issue im happy to do so openly.

    @JohnH GCMS is not needed when you have had trained noses smell the oil and all confirm its the same, you dont live far feel free to pop over to my place and smell the oils yourself. Just how you trust descriptions of oils without smelling them either you can take my word or you dont, or you come and smell the oils?
     
  6. Habz786

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    Exactly @PEARL different rules and attitudes to different forums, i see a case of split forum personality syndrome :)
     
  7. Habz786

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    Who would buy a tola for 150-200$ and sell for 400$ for 3grams if money isn't the main objective? Like i said if the vendor wishes to come here infront of everyone and go through this issue im happy and waiting.
     
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  8. F4R1d0uX

    F4R1d0uX Resident Artisan

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    The wife, the kids ...
     
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  9. Ouddict

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    Sometimes that's a reality. Don't knock it - many of these vendors are family breadwinners with this trade as their only income and I'm sure no one here wants to mess with their livelihood.

    On the other hand, we have to say something when people want to make exaggerated claims and mock those who are trying to understand the reality of the Oud market to make it open for all.

    On a final note, I'm quite sick of seeing sycophants who think they know it all from the comfort of their armchair who have not spoken to distillers or hunters, but instead spend their time trolling any efforts to question whether claims are accurate or not. They know who they are and think they can take advantage of the openness of this forum to come and police it. Instead of making useful comments, all we hear is a broken record and then the usual mocking posts elsewhere. As @Habz786 said, why is this courtesy not extended?
     
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  10. Ouddict

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    Agreed ;)
     
  11. F4R1d0uX

    F4R1d0uX Resident Artisan

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    I know what you are talking about @Ouddict and I know @Habz786 enough to know he is a kind brother.

    I will talk about this issue on my open answer yo make people know why I seemed so mean...

    But I prefer focusing on the behaviour of some people either on the products because as I always say, oil is innocent from people behaviour and talking about products would affect ouddicts in general (not referring to Ouddict members) and I think you both have enough experience to get what I'm talking about.

    I'm convinced that ONLY (fair) competition rules the market and it's pricing not me or clients.

    But if pointing behaviours (included mine and I will talk about it too soon) make people behaviour change in a positive way, it could affect positively both vendors and clients you see ?
     
  12. PEARL

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    @Habz786 I'm the same complex, not simple guy. I poke fun at MOCA because MOCA in my opinion, which is based on comparative analysis doesn't exist. IMO as a concept it's not asking for inexpensive oils but rather to devalue something that has an inherent value based on many variables whereas some see the only variable of profit margin. It's saying sell me tigerwood for $100 to my door because I deserve it when that's not what it's price. I buy oils, samples and as several here can attest to, I'm a perpetual swapper. I get a chance to smell many, many oils including those straight from distillers with very little or no internet presence save Facebook. What I find is you mostly get what you pay for, excepting those times when a $400/tola oil should have been $150/tola. Also, when I see someone mention a vendors product by name and say that the pricing is a result of them, I find it somewhat delusional and narcissistic because when I recall that vendor has always offered oils in that price range. It reminds me of the lyrics from a Carly Simon song, "I bet you think this song is about you" or Right Said Fred song lyrics, "I'm too sexy for my shirt". Furthermore, when have I ever been hesitant to speak my mind.

    If it was proven to be a fact and that info was presented to me, of course I would have a problem with it, a huge one in fact. If you think for one iota of a second that I'd be cool with paying $400/3gm for a $150/tola oil and know it, then you really have me mistaken for a fool. To come on and say that it happened but I'm not going to tell you who did it, while at the same time using verbiage that would make "the vendor figure it out" all without proof, that's what I find peculiar. Trust is a funny thing in that it has to be built, I can trust one person without doubt based on my own dealings with that person and products in comparison to others whereas another person has to show me evidence because that trust has not been built. And all the going in circles about, "we know but you don't and I'm not going to say who but clue you right in" seems more like playing games than something I should trust.
     
  13. Ammar

    Ammar Oud Fan

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    You keep saying this phrase on and on but I really don’t know how you interpret it. For me, it means you should focus on the oud itself by reviewing it appreciating it or raising awareness for the benefit of other buyers not to focus on the vendor himself whom you only heard his name few months ago without any previous direct interaction with him and without totally knowing his legacy and contribution to the western oud scene by taking any chance even irrelevant to mention his name, unless of course there’s real attack on other vendors affecting their reputation then It’s OK you can step up and I will stand even before you.

    Now it seems that there is a bigger serious problem yet you keep reminding us about how this vendor personality doesn’t fit your boycott personality??
     
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  14. F4R1d0uX

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    Brother @Ammar regarding this seller, I will tell publicly what I told in private about his oils and his contribution.

    Regarding the attacks, it will be big part of the answer I will give.

    Regarding oud oil is innocent from ... I prefer explain it to you in private.
     
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  15. Ammar

    Ammar Oud Fan

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    As @PEARL mentioned, trust is something acquired and earned not inherited. You and others were just creating disturbance without publically announced evidences; personal taste versus personal taste not related to oud innocence whatsoever and I’m not talking specifically about the current circumstances because I really don’t know exactly what’s going on.

    You have a theory you want to believe it’s a fact, hence your act accordingly…
     
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  16. F4R1d0uX

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    @Ammar brother you think so but in fact not ...

    I won't mention accordingly no talk if any proofs ...
     
  17. Ammar

    Ammar Oud Fan

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    Well, I don’t know maybe if you say so although I don’t know how is your $100 TW95 delivered to your door request is beneficial to the oud scene and to the oud beginners that you are concerning about rather than adding more confusion to them?
     
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  18. F4R1d0uX

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    I gave a precise information in that post specifically that will be explained in my answer ... but if taken 1st degree, it was of course very insulting and useless to the oud scene !
    Btw @PEARL I had the oportunity to read your april fool comment about it and of it could be insulting too, honestly I laughed because you did that with talent lol.

    You will understand too why I wrote this if you still want brother...
     
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  19. Ammar

    Ammar Oud Fan

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    Nothing personally or 1st degree because simply I don’t take things in oud scene personally. You and some others take things personally because simply things don’t fit your taste.

    Peace…
     
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  20. PEARL

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    @F4R1d0uX there are many things I love of this world among them are seeing someone smile and/or knowing I made them smile, smiling is sunnah and charity. أَضْحَكَ اللَّهُ سِنَّكَ 'Adhak Allahu Sinnak
     
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