sample sizes
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Royalbengalouds
Resident Artisan
Salamulikum Bilal, looks right on the dot , my samples I give out are in the range of .20 - .30 and looks the same
Oudamberlove
Member
It doesn't look .25 ml to me either
It doesn't look .25 ml to me either
from left to right the bottle height and diameter is 40 x 9.62 , the one in question is 33.32 x 8.16,then 31 x 9.05 , then 32 x 8.08, then 31 x 6.86
the height of the liquid in question is 5.36 mm in that bottle .
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i think if i did the math properly, the bottle is actually 1.7 ml and not 1 as i was informed? according to math, it would seem that the sample is indeed 0.25 ml after taking into account thickness of glass. i was mislead that the bottle is 1 ml in the first place which caused my questioning.
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wa alaikum salam waratmatullahi wabarakatahu true and good eye! the 1 ml bottle description confused me.
correct! I will not name the vendor.
It doesn't look .25 ml to me either
it doesnt when you consider the bottle 1 ml, but i think its actually 1.7 and the maths seem to say it is indeed 0.25!
The bottle on the far right is probly exactly 1ml when dipstick and glass is considered.
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Faizal_p
Sulaym.co.uk
This is from us, the measures are correct and we use a graduated pipette which cost $120, same as used in laboratories.
Also brother, as Faheem got your order wrong we sent you 0.3ml of the mxv again and 0.2 ml konbaung at no cost. Please ask anyone on here if we have deceived them or taken their money unjustly.
The bottle we use is narrower so may look longer but holds the same as the fatter shorter one.
I've used am insulin syringe with 0.2ml in it to show what it looks like, and a video so I can't falsify:
Also brother, as Faheem got your order wrong we sent you 0.3ml of the mxv again and 0.2 ml konbaung at no cost. Please ask anyone on here if we have deceived them or taken their money unjustly.
The bottle we use is narrower so may look longer but holds the same as the fatter shorter one.
I've used am insulin syringe with 0.2ml in it to show what it looks like, and a video so I can't falsify:
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Nikhil S
Resident Reviewer
Should keep the camera parallel to the vial otherwise the angle will make it look even lesser. In general, samples from a few vendors dry out fastest. It would be best in the interest of both parties if plastic recovery vials are used. They have measurement scale. I have 1.5 year old samples from a distiller which had 0.2ml oils and its not a drop is missing. Absolutely fantastic. No hassles with oils getting wasted.
Faizal_p
Sulaym.co.uk
Right at the end I've moved it down to be level to you can see how much it contains.
Plastic v vials are extremely difficult to use as no stick, storage is very difficult too. We have experimented with many vials etc and this is the best most preferred by all.
Samples drying out means oxidation? You won't loose quantity unless there was water in there or storing at extremely high temperature
Nikhil S
Resident Reviewer
Nope its not the most preferred. Its cost effective and easy to acquire. Plastic vials are always safer for transit too. The lids of the plastic recovery vials are very tight so oxidation is not a big problem. I did see what you tried to bring the camera down but it wasnt parallel. Makes a difference brother. Try it. It was merely a suggestion. Some vendors send samples in clothed pouches. Thats the deadliest. My samples have leaked too and were only replenished after a year maybe. Previous requests were ignored. Science is practicality not theory. Cheers.
Habz786
Resident Artisan & Ouddict Co-Founder
I think these 1ml vials work well mainly due to the dipstick issue. Usually a sample is purchased to try an oil before a full bottle purchase. In this case the sample should be tried right away to get an idea of the scent before o2 takes its toll. If samples are being purchased for a library reference and to keep the scent intact then using/transfering to a v vial is a good idea to avoid o2. I don't see any vendors doing sample v vials and im sure this is maybe because it isnt practical or the demand isnt there from customers. By v vials i mean the proper v vials not the annoying little plastic thingys.
Ouddict
Ouddict Co-Founder & Tech Support
Hmmmm... I personally don’t like plastic v-vials (you’re on about those conical tiny plastic vials). I couldn’t use them myself if sending samples out. I always use glass vials. Ideally I’d like to be able to find glsss vials that hold 0.3g maximum. Also, the use of volume can be misleading - better to use mass.
I find them fiddly to open and the oil comes out when you exert force in opening them and awkward to store upright - impossible in fact. The only good thing is that they contain less air.
Ouddict
Ouddict Co-Founder & Tech Support
Yes exactly. I think you can get 0.3ml glass v-vials, but they aren’t cost effective for vendors to give out.
Ouddict
Ouddict Co-Founder & Tech Support
No you guys haven’t. In fact I haven’t come across that from any Artistanal Oud vendors except one.
Nikhil S
Resident Reviewer
A bigger sample glass vial will have a bigger base so yes it favours more oxidation. Problems keeping them upright. Just use a piece of thermocol make holes no problem they wont even budge a little. They dont break even if they fall so users like me living in other continents cannot have heart attacks
. You can use a plastic toothpick. You can sample till the last drop. If you want I can share a NO strings attached picture showing the current situation of samples bottles from different vendors. But, it could turn out a bit embarassing for some respected vendors here . About the ease of sampling from glass vials LOL thats not a screw cap. I hate to twist and turn those plastic caps. Its a headache. Those recovery vials are not cheap bisleri grade 0.099 USD plastic material. Those are scientific grade material used for research etc.
Nikhil S
Resident Reviewer
They are too expensive. I am sure a cheaper alternative could be had with some innovative measures. Ask a vial making company maybe to custom design it in bulk. Each of these samples cost a lot....a lot.....a bit of innovation will help us all and get rid of the sampling blues. Cheers
Faizal_p
Sulaym.co.uk
I'll take another picture asap. The plastic vials we tried before around 2 years ago and they didn't go down well. To send oils in the glass v vials used in gas chromatography is price prohibitive especially for the cheaper oils. There is a thread on this forum where a show of hands was done and people decided to opt for the vials we use. I think Omar from @ParadiseofOils started it.
@Nikhil S please pm me with your address and I'll personally make sure your samples are replenished. As I've mentioned before we do this as a hobby as we love Oud, everyone here at Imperial have other jobs and if one or two cases of bad customer service have taken place then I apologise profusely. Mistakes can happen and we are only human.
In fact to anyone here who feels we have delivered sub par customer service please pm me with your concerns. @Ouddict you can send me a gift of $1000 and I will gift you all the samples you want