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Dr B1414

Whats this Oud About?
Well.....with all said and done; has anyone tried the bloody thing yet? I am waiting to see what people think about Ha Tinh.
I'm curious as well :)). Common guys. I kinda lowered my expectations on the Tonkin part, but at least want to know if it is a good oil.....
 

Mustafa

True Ouddict
I'm curious as well :)). Common guys. I kinda lowered my expectations on the Tonkin part, but at least want to know if it is a good oil.....
You see Dr. B, this is the irony of it. We have been frothing over something for two pages that no one tried.
 

Ouroboros223

Whats this Oud About?
I feel like there is a lot of opinion masquerading as hard fact here so I will give my 2c too... Again just opinion based on my personal experiences.

My experience of oriscent is that they are virtually uncomparable to other ouds... The credit does not go to ensar, the credit goes to the distillers and the grade of wood that was available 10, 20, 30 years ago or more...

I have sampled over 100 ouds from different vendors including many "old batch" ouds from various old vendors. Many of which came from big collectors who I was able to get 0.2g samples from.

As a few of the big collectors suggested on this forum, I took a break from buying full bottles and exclusively bought up every and any sample I could find.

What I found was every oriscent I have come across is a 10+/10, perfection or above...

While many others were still good from other vendors, they didn't come close... In my opinion.

To my understanding the term oriscent comes from the old master distillers, the techniques used and the grade of wood used. Secret generational techniques, mythological grades of wood...

Many beleive this to all be just marketing, but I see it different. I will explain why...

Before I knew anyhing about oud, nothing at all, I met a business man in a tea shop while I was living in taiwan, he introduced me to oud. Little did I know at the time he was one of the biggest agarwood traders in Asia. Only dealing with wild wood, usually his minimum purchase is 100+ kg at $1000/kg that was his entry level wood, going up to multiple millions per kg. I now know this to be the real deal because the free samples he gave me without hesitation of his wood and incense were better than shoyeido original green kyara, generally it is unheard of to get given samples like this for free.

He taught me a lot about oud, at the time I didn't make too much of it. But the wood he showed me, especially solid black pieces of kinam when the jar was opened would fill an entire room with its aroma at room temp and felt like metal or heavy glass. Pieces that when I asked how much it was worth he said he didn't know.

At the time I didn't know enough to know if he was legit or if the wood was good, I had nothing to compare it to. But since then I have sampled hundreds of pieces of wood, travelled to agarwood exhibitions and spent time searching taiwan and Japan in person for rare wood and oils.

What I found was every collector I came across in Taiwan or japan who was willing to show me their secret stash of kinam. Which most of the time was in a steel safe hidden in the back of the store, presented wood that for the most part smelt, felt and looked almost the same as the man I met at the tea shop and what he had shown me (let's call him Ken) it had the same properties and characteristics. now since tying authentic green kyara from shoyeido I know for certain based on the expertise of a house like shoyeido that there is a specific standard for what is or isn't kinam, and once you know this scent it's impossible to miss.

I don't think it's just mere coincidence that so many traders and collectors from Japan and Taiwan share the same standard for what is considered kinam, maybe some people just can't smell it, but for me it is a symphony of notes that stand out above and beyond any other agarwood or oud I've come across.

Oriscent based on my understanding is a label given to ouds produced by true master distillers using old techniques that often don't have the best yield and used wood that is almost impossible to find now.

I wouldn't disagree that other people had the same quality oud oils from back in the hayday of oud. But every time I managed to convince an agarwood trader to show me their best oils. Which often took hours of drinking tea and the trader bringing out one oud after the next periodically claiming it was his best... Until eventually he would act puzzled when I asked for something better and better and he would go silent, get on the phone, make a few calls or call in his wife or business partners, have a little meeting and then finally get out some ultra high grade oils...

Every time I had this experience of having to show what I'm really about before being shown the good oils, guess what they smelt like... Exactly like ensars oriscent oils, EXACTLY the same.

This standard isn't just one I've come to hold but it's a standard of oil that almost everyone in Taiwan and Japan I've come across seemed to share. As for price, they almost always cost $1000+ per 1ml and even then most the time they didn't want to sell it, without a lot of convincing.

So I do agree, many others have this grade of oil, I've seen it first hand, but it shouldn't downplay ensars oriscent oils, especially when I haven't seen anything better for cheaper. (if you know of some please let me know. I would love to find some)

Again this is opinion based on my very limited experience. But I happened to be blessed enough to start my oud journey alongside a man selling 1kg pieces of wood for over 3 mil and oils at $10000/ml

He sold individual sticks of incense for over $300 and he let me sample some of his "lowest grade incense" which were on par if not better than shoyeido translucent path. So I feel that I got lucky. I know he wasn't trying to scam me either because he didn't want me to buy anything from him and ensisted I try cheaper products from other vendors and that I shouldn't bother with his oils or wood until I want to "end my oud journey" so to speak. He gave me a lot of samples for free and sold me a sample of his entry level oil at far below what it was worth, this was a "kyara no 1" level oil which I got 1g for 250usd but he told me he was not making profit off me and I beleive him given I have kyara no 1 and know the value of oils like this.


Again if anyone can point me in the direction of obtaining small amounts of oils like the oriscent oils or as good as this from other vendors I would appreciate this a lot, I am always open minded and willing to try new oils.

I hope this helps clear things up for some people and adds some perspective. I mean no disrespect and don't outright disagree with with any of the members views here I just see things differently.
 
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Castingshadows

True Ouddict
Thank you for this post Oroboros. I think people let their hatred for Ensar get in the way of the amazing history that went into these oils from the wood to the distillers and definitely techniques. This is the kind of information I come to this site for.
 

Ouroboros223

Whats this Oud About?
Thank you for this post Oroboros. I think people let their hatred for Ensar get in the way of the amazing history that went into these oils from the wood to the distillers and definitely techniques. This is the kind of information I come to this site for.

Still,

Has anyone tried this oil?:)))
Hahaha no one yet I know. I might blind buy it if it is a thing like guallam. Would love ot hear from anyone that has sampled it and can reference it to guallam.
 

Dr B1414

Whats this Oud About?
Yeah. I started this thread because I'm really curious about this oil. And don't want to jump blindly in getting 2 grams or more.
Hopefully, we get some feedback soon.
I'm surprised though that so many purchased Notes from Underground, a perfume that uses this oil at its core but not many seem to care about the oil itself.
 

BrandonGilbert

Oud Fanatic
I feel like there is a lot of opinion masquerading as hard fact here so I will give my 2c too... Again just opinion based on my personal experiences.

My experience of oriscent is that they are virtually uncomparsble to other ouds... The credit does not go to ensar, the credit goes to the distillers and thr grade of wood that was available 10, 20, 30 years ago or more...

I have sampled over 100 ouds from different vendors including many "old batch" ouds from various old vendors. Many of which came from big collectors who I was able to get 0.2g samples from.

As a few of the big collectors suggested on this forum, I took a break from buying full bottles and exclusively bought up every and any sample I could find.

What I found was every oriscent I have come across is a 10+/10, pefection or above...

While many others were still good from other vendors, they didn't come close... In my opinion.

To m understanding the term oriscent comes from the old master distillers, the techniques used and the grade of wood used, secret generational techniques, mythological grades of wood...

Many beleive this to all be just marketing, but I see it different. I will explain why.

Before I knew anyhing about oud, nothing at all, I met a business man in a tea shop while I was living in taiwan, he introduced me to oud. Little did I know at the time he was one of the biggest agarwood traders in Asia. Only dealing with wild wood, usually his minimum purchase is 100+ kg at $1000/kg that was his entry level wood, going up to multiple millions per kg. I now know this to be the real deal because the free samples he gave me without hesitation of his wood and incense were better than shoyeido original green kyara, generally it is unheard of to get given samples like this for free.

He taught me a lot about oud, at the time I didn't make too much of it. But the wood he showed me, especially solid black pieces of kinam when the jar was opened would fill an entire room with its aroma at room temp and felt like metal or heavy glass. Pieces that when I asked how much it was worth he said he didn't know.

At the time I didn't know enough to know if he was legit or if the wood was good, I had nothing to compare it to. But since then I have sampled hundreds of pieces of wood, travelled to agarwood exhibitions and spent time searching taiwan and Japan in person for rare wood and oils.

What I found was every collector I came across in Taiwan or japan who was willing to show me their secret stash of kinam. Which most of the time was in a steel safe hidden in the back of the store, presented wood that for the most part smelt, felt and looked almost the same as the man I met at the tea shop and what he had shown me (let's call him Ken) it had the same properties and characteristics. now since tying authentic green kyara from shoyeido I know for certain based on the expertise of a house like shoyeido that there is a specific standard for what is or isn't kinam, and once you know this scent it's impossible to miss.

I don't think it's just mere coincidence that so many traders and collectors from Japan and Taiwan share the same standard for what is considered kinam, maybe some people just can't smell it, but for me it is a symphony of notes that stand out above and beyond any other agarwood or oud I've come across.

Oriscent based on my understanding is a label given to ouds produced by true master distillers using old techniques that often don't have the best yield and used wood that is almost impossible to find now.

I wouldn't disagree that other people had the same quality oud oils from back in the hayday of oud. But every time I managed to convince an agarwood trader to show me their best oils. Which often took hours of drinking tea and the trader bringing out one oud after the next periodically claiming it was his best... Until eventually he would act puzzled when I asked for something better and better and he would go silent, get on the phone, make a few calls or call in his wife or business partners, have a little meeting and then finally get out some ultra high grade oils...

Every time I had this experience of having to show what I'm really about before being shown the good oils, guess what they smelt like... Exactly like ensars oriscent oils, EXACTLY the same.

This standard isn't just one I've come to hold but it's a standard of oil that almost everyone in Taiwan and Japan I've come across seemed to share. As for price, they almost always cost $1000+ per 1ml and even then most the time they didn't want to sell it, without a lot of convincing.

So I do agree, many others have this grade of oil, I've seen it first hand, but it shouldn't downplay ensars oriscent oils, especially when I haven't seen anything better for cheaper. (if you know of some please let me know. I would love to find some)

Again this is opinion based on my very limited experience. But I happened to be blessed enough to start my oud journey alongside a man selling 1kg pieces of wood for over 3 mil and oils at $10000/ml

He sold individual sticks of incense for over $300 and he let me sample some of his "lowest grade incense" which were on par if not better than shoyeido translucent path. So I feel that I got lucky. I know he wasn't trying to scam me either because he didn't want me to buy anything from him and ensisted I try cheaper products from other vendors and that I shouldn't bother with his oils or wood until I want to "end my oud journey" so to speak. He gave me a lot of samples for free and sold me a sample of his entry level oil at far below what it was worth, this was a "kyara no 1" level oil which I got 1g for 250usd but he told me he was not making profit off me and I beleive him given I have kyara no 1 and know the value of oils like this.



Again if anyone can point me in the direction of obtaining small amounts of oils like the oriscent oils or as good as this from other vendors I would appreciate this a lot I am always open minded and willing to try new oils.

I hope this helps clear things up for some people and adds some perspective. I mean no disrespect and don't outright disagree with with any of the members views here I just see things differently.
This is a great post and things like this are why Im on this site 😊
 
honey dew


lemon peel


rose geranium


deer skin


she musk


vanilla lotion


sour dough


bitter herbs ands yeast


musk gives it a morphing oscillating 3d waveform….



its like opening a door to a victorian brothel mid day when the action has subsided and the cleaning has started… and going room to room as the evaporation and musk intermingle bringing things out and burying others all staying within a central soft Vietnamese aroma ….



starts sweet and feral and moves through melon and light citrus with culinary herbs and calf leather... it morphs quite a bit but only floating points…. the musk is very feminine… its not in your face…. doughy and fox den... with soft golden leather
 

Dr B1414

Whats this Oud About?
honey dew


lemon peel


rose geranium


deer skin


she musk


vanilla lotion


sour dough


bitter herbs ands yeast


musk gives it a morphing oscillating 3d waveform….



its like opening a door to a victorian brothel mid day when the action has subsided and the cleaning has started… and going room to room as the evaporation and musk intermingle bringing things out and burying others all staying within a central soft Vietnamese aroma ….



starts sweet and feral and moves through melon and light citrus with culinary herbs and calf leather... it morphs quite a bit but only floating points…. the musk is very feminine… its not in your face…. doughy and fox den... with soft golden leather
Thank you. Much appreciated:praying:
 

Proust Madeleine

True Ouddict
honey dew


lemon peel


rose geranium


deer skin


she musk


vanilla lotion


sour dough


bitter herbs ands yeast


musk gives it a morphing oscillating 3d waveform….



its like opening a door to a victorian brothel mid day when the action has subsided and the cleaning has started… and going room to room as the evaporation and musk intermingle bringing things out and burying others all staying within a central soft Vietnamese aroma ….



starts sweet and feral and moves through melon and light citrus with culinary herbs and calf leather... it morphs quite a bit but only floating points…. the musk is very feminine… its not in your face…. doughy and fox den... with soft golden leather
hey this is so helpful!
Can I ask a stupid question, landscape?

—>does it smell like a Vietnamese Oud with backed with musk or is it more of a musky oil with light Vietnamese Oud accents?

does that question make any sense to you?
 

Sproaty

Sproudy
Staff member
I feel like there is a lot of opinion masquerading as hard fact here so I will give my 2c too... Again just opinion based on my personal experiences.

My experience of oriscent is that they are virtually uncomparable to other ouds... The credit does not go to ensar, the credit goes to the distillers and the grade of wood that was available 10, 20, 30 years ago or more...

I have sampled over 100 ouds from different vendors including many "old batch" ouds from various old vendors. Many of which came from big collectors who I was able to get 0.2g samples from.

As a few of the big collectors suggested on this forum, I took a break from buying full bottles and exclusively bought up every and any sample I could find.

What I found was every oriscent I have come across is a 10+/10, perfection or above...

While many others were still good from other vendors, they didn't come close... In my opinion.

To my understanding the term oriscent comes from the old master distillers, the techniques used and the grade of wood used. Secret generational techniques, mythological grades of wood...

Many beleive this to all be just marketing, but I see it different. I will explain why...

Before I knew anyhing about oud, nothing at all, I met a business man in a tea shop while I was living in taiwan, he introduced me to oud. Little did I know at the time he was one of the biggest agarwood traders in Asia. Only dealing with wild wood, usually his minimum purchase is 100+ kg at $1000/kg that was his entry level wood, going up to multiple millions per kg. I now know this to be the real deal because the free samples he gave me without hesitation of his wood and incense were better than shoyeido original green kyara, generally it is unheard of to get given samples like this for free.

He taught me a lot about oud, at the time I didn't make too much of it. But the wood he showed me, especially solid black pieces of kinam when the jar was opened would fill an entire room with its aroma at room temp and felt like metal or heavy glass. Pieces that when I asked how much it was worth he said he didn't know.

At the time I didn't know enough to know if he was legit or if the wood was good, I had nothing to compare it to. But since then I have sampled hundreds of pieces of wood, travelled to agarwood exhibitions and spent time searching taiwan and Japan in person for rare wood and oils.

What I found was every collector I came across in Taiwan or japan who was willing to show me their secret stash of kinam. Which most of the time was in a steel safe hidden in the back of the store, presented wood that for the most part smelt, felt and looked almost the same as the man I met at the tea shop and what he had shown me (let's call him Ken) it had the same properties and characteristics. now since tying authentic green kyara from shoyeido I know for certain based on the expertise of a house like shoyeido that there is a specific standard for what is or isn't kinam, and once you know this scent it's impossible to miss.

I don't think it's just mere coincidence that so many traders and collectors from Japan and Taiwan share the same standard for what is considered kinam, maybe some people just can't smell it, but for me it is a symphony of notes that stand out above and beyond any other agarwood or oud I've come across.

Oriscent based on my understanding is a label given to ouds produced by true master distillers using old techniques that often don't have the best yield and used wood that is almost impossible to find now.

I wouldn't disagree that other people had the same quality oud oils from back in the hayday of oud. But every time I managed to convince an agarwood trader to show me their best oils. Which often took hours of drinking tea and the trader bringing out one oud after the next periodically claiming it was his best... Until eventually he would act puzzled when I asked for something better and better and he would go silent, get on the phone, make a few calls or call in his wife or business partners, have a little meeting and then finally get out some ultra high grade oils...

Every time I had this experience of having to show what I'm really about before being shown the good oils, guess what they smelt like... Exactly like ensars oriscent oils, EXACTLY the same.

This standard isn't just one I've come to hold but it's a standard of oil that almost everyone in Taiwan and Japan I've come across seemed to share. As for price, they almost always cost $1000+ per 1ml and even then most the time they didn't want to sell it, without a lot of convincing.

So I do agree, many others have this grade of oil, I've seen it first hand, but it shouldn't downplay ensars oriscent oils, especially when I haven't seen anything better for cheaper. (if you know of some please let me know. I would love to find some)

Again this is opinion based on my very limited experience. But I happened to be blessed enough to start my oud journey alongside a man selling 1kg pieces of wood for over 3 mil and oils at $10000/ml

He sold individual sticks of incense for over $300 and he let me sample some of his "lowest grade incense" which were on par if not better than shoyeido translucent path. So I feel that I got lucky. I know he wasn't trying to scam me either because he didn't want me to buy anything from him and ensisted I try cheaper products from other vendors and that I shouldn't bother with his oils or wood until I want to "end my oud journey" so to speak. He gave me a lot of samples for free and sold me a sample of his entry level oil at far below what it was worth, this was a "kyara no 1" level oil which I got 1g for 250usd but he told me he was not making profit off me and I beleive him given I have kyara no 1 and know the value of oils like this.


Again if anyone can point me in the direction of obtaining small amounts of oils like the oriscent oils or as good as this from other vendors I would appreciate this a lot, I am always open minded and willing to try new oils.

I hope this helps clear things up for some people and adds some perspective. I mean no disrespect and don't outright disagree with with any of the members views here I just see things differently.

very interesting, but wasn't Oriscent the name of the company before it got renamed to Ensar Oud?
/edit - sorry, didn't read the thread first-> last! just jumped in at the end 😅
 

Ouroboros223

Whats this Oud About?
very interesting, but wasn't Oriscent the name of the company before it got renamed to Ensar Oud?
Yes it is, but when referring to oriscent oils it's referring to oils brewed by particular distillers that have either passed away or don't offer their services anymore. And I'm sure that these distillers sold their ouds to other vendors than ensar.

From my understanding he changed the company name because the new class of ouds aren't in the same class as the oriscent oils. Different distillers and distillation techniques.
 
hey this is so helpful!
Can I ask a stupid question, landscape?

—>does it smell like a Vietnamese Oud with backed with musk or is it more of a musky oil with light Vietnamese Oud accents?

does that question make any sense to you?
its like a delicate Vietnamese oud with that melon lemongrass vanilla smell with faint bitter kinamic wiffs and a doughy feminine feral musk that weaves in and out..... so yes oud backed with musk....
 
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