Advice On Frangipani Enfleurage

Discussion in 'The Art of Traditional Perfumery' started by Mellifluence, Oct 26, 2018.

  1. Mellifluence

    Mellifluence Oud Fan

    I am currently in Kenya and found some beautiful smelling frangipani trees.
    I want to make an enfluerage from the petals and wondered if any perfumers here had experiance with this.
    It will be my first experiment with enfleurage, i have been reading up on the different methods and i am not sure if hot enfleurage or cold enfleurage will work best with frangipani.

    I think as the petals are so fragrant, possibly a cold process may work best.
    I am also debating what base to use for the enfleurage, animal fats or coconut oil, jojoba, or a mix of these.

    There are also jacaranda trees here, but the scent from each flower is much less fragrant than the frangipani, but still very beautiful, this may require a hot process, but again i really am just experimenting here so some tips would be beneficial from those who have done enfleurage before.

    Any advice is appreciated.
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  2. Mellifluence

    Mellifluence Oud Fan

    I have just started the frangipani enfleurage today.
    Had a bit of a poor start by falling out of a frangipani tree :Notworthy: :Laugh: but fortunately found a smaller pink frangipani after my fall.
    Now i just have to find flowers every 2 days... the challenge is on!
  3. Woodland Note

    Woodland Note Moderator Staff Member

    Sadly I have zero experience with this method and I'm not a perfumer too.
    Though, I would like one day to extract absolutes from my favorite fragrant flowers, lily of the valley, Russian olive (Elaeagnus_angustifolia), wild rose and so on.

    I can only share some articles I found online, I don't know if it will be any help but anyway: for ThaiScience/Article/62/10033915.pdf

    I wish you good luck! :Thumbsup: I will keep my fingers crossed so that you will succeed! :Thumbsup:
  4. Grega

    Grega Oud Fan

    Oh my! I hope next time it goes better. I won't say "break a leg" in this case :Roflmao:
    Did you survive the fall without any damage?
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  5. Rai Munir

    Rai Munir Musk Man

    Oh no. Frangipani is a soft wood tree. Extremely soft. The branch had to snap off actually:Roflmao:. I got from your post that the trees must be more than fifty years old. Otherwise, it doesn't become a tree, but remains to be a bush.

    White Frangipani smells rather strong and musky.
  6. Mellifluence

    Mellifluence Oud Fan

    Thank you so much for all the links. That was very helpful.
    I have almost finished it now and am very happy with the results.
    I opted for a cold enfleurage in coconut oil and it seems to have yeilded the results i wanted.
    I will know better when i extract it via ethanol and reduce it.
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  7. Grega

    Grega Oud Fan

    Dear Abdullah I am glad to see you back online. I am curious what difference in scent an enfleurage makes compared to a distillation.

    Will you be making a frangipani blend?
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  8. Mellifluence

    Mellifluence Oud Fan

    Hello Grega and thanks for yoir well wishes in the previous post. I did hurt myself falling out of the tree, took a few weeks to heal properly! I found a bery helpful guy who assists in collecting them now so i can avoid climbing thankfully.

    With regards to the difference in scent to distillations, i have only had absolutes of frangipani before so i can only comment on those.

    I have one from Hermitage oils which is very distant from the scent of the flower, it smells spicy with hints of cumin, not at all what i expected and hoped for. I think that may be due to it being an enfleurage in palm fat then extracted to an absolute.

    My enfleurage smells very much like the flowers with a clean coconut aroma from the base oil.
    I am hoping the scent does not alter from it's current for much when i extract it, hopefully just the potency increases.

    Yes i aim to make a frangipani attar too when i get home. I want to make a true to the flower aroma attar and another more exotic creative blend.

    Great to hear from you too Grega, hoping you are well.
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  9. Grega

    Grega Oud Fan

    Hehe a frangipani tree climbing assistant, very useful :)

    Good luck with the frangipani enfleurage and attars!

    Thanks for the well wishes. I am just getting better after having a cold. Thankfully I can smell things again :)

    Wish you happy holidays!
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  10. Mellifluence

    Mellifluence Oud Fan

    Hello Grega.

    Happy to hear you are getting better. I know losing your sense of smell is the worst! I am really hoping i avoid getting a cold too, everyone around me is coughing like their I'll

    Thanks, i have started work on extracting some from the enfleurage. It may take around 1 month for the first experiment to be completed.

    I am looking forward to seeing if it has worked as well as i hoped.

    Hope you have a great holiday too.
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  11. atsiri

    atsiri Just Arrived

    Hello Abdullah and Other Forum Member,

    My name is Baskoro. I'm new in this forum and I would like to get more info about how does Frangipani enflurage work. I live in Indonesia and i'm interested on trying frangipani enfleurage since we have a lot of (maybe more than hundreds of plumeria tree) in my backyard garden. But i still confused on the species of plumeria which should i choose to give consistent scent , Here many of franginpani flower look so different in colour , petal size and scent. I'm affraid if we just mixed all kind of frangipani flower, it will ruin the classical scent of original frangipani.

    So far i had found that minimum three (3) kinds of fangipani that dominated my backyard garden:
    1. White Petal Frangipani with little yellow mark on it's petal base (most likely come from species Plumeria Obtusa / Commonly Known as Singorean Grave yard Frangipani )
    2. White Patal Frangipani with more dominated yellow mark on it's petal base ( most likely come from species Plumeria Alba , we can easily differentiate Plumeria Alba and Plumeria Obtusa from the shapa of it's leafs)
    3. Light Yellow Petal Frangipani with more dominated yellow petal base and other variety Pink Frangipani (if i'm not mistaken both are most likely come from species Plumeria Rubra , sometimes it's hard to differentiate whether Plumeria Rubra or Plumeria Alba, Any Info / guidance on comparation among those two species will much appreciated.
    Is there any advice which species commonly used on commercial frangipani enfleurage ? and should we mix all kind of Plumeria species in single enfleurage proceess or we should do enfleurage separately depend on the species of plumeria. ?

    Any kind respound and constructive discussion would be much apprecated.
    Thank You

    Best Regards,
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