Alex

Oud Fan
This is too much a pissing match... can we just close this off finally? Thread is completely unnecessary and uncalled for LOL
I agree unfortunately, but I think you can see that all I'm mentioning and presenting here is facts, evidences and lab tests, replying in objective, detailed, respectful, professional manner and all I'm getting is accusations and opinions.

regards
 

Mr.P

oud<3er
This whole thing is absurd, and I am sure it has been obvious to all of us from the start that “Alex” isn’t actually going to give anyone a nickel, not to mention $10K for a photo of a green line of smoke, or a GCMS report he’d likely end up saying was faked. This whole thing seems like nonsense especially given the fact that this person is selling fake oud and sandalwood.

I’d trust EJayB over this guy without hesitation.
 

Mr.P

oud<3er
I agree unfortunately, but I think you can see that all I'm mentioning and presenting here is facts, evidences and lab tests, replying in objective, detailed, respectful, professional manner and all I'm getting is accusations and opinions.

regards


All you are presenting are words and speculation. And a silly story about smoke rising in a straight line somehow. The only facts we have here is what EJayB reports about the artificial nature of your so called oud and sandalwood. If you can’t even get those straight, what are the odds that you have anything accurate about kinam or kyara?
 

Tony Li

Oud Beginner
1- an academically acceptableness lab test (from a well known lab with authentication and lab name and reference and signatures stating the this is 100% wild and it doesn't include any of the material or substances used in cultivation or harvesting which all experts knows it)
2- record a kinam wood burning with the smoke going straight in a horizontal line for one meter with greenish color (as mentioned in rozi book and other books)
Alex

Alex, according to this two points you wrote for kinam (kyara), the kyara should be new to you. You need to study in this forum instead of misleading.

You can not be an agarwood expert from reading the book. Cause the agarwood and kyara is hard to describe clear, especially from book. You need to see it, smell it, taste it, burn and smell it again, cut it by hand, talk with the hunters or hunt yourself in the forest, you need to know which region the agarwood from, what kind of environment the trees grow, the agarwood from which part of the trees, what kind of wound lead the infection.

For kyara, most of them were purchased by Japan. 40years ago, Middle East and Japan bought a lot wild agarwood, at that time, the wild agarwood in Vietnam is not rare. People in Middle East like to burn the agarwood, for burning, the scent of kyara is not as good as high quality wild agarwood. But in the normal temperature or the temperature under 150 degrees, the scents of kyara is much better than agarwood. So some people call the kyara low temperature agarwood. At that time, the agarwood buyers in Middle East don’t buy the kyara. In the meanwhile, Japan buy kyara from their agent in Hongkong and Singarore, in silence. Japan use the kyara as incense, also medicine. For the standard of kyara, Japan agarwood company is professional. We bought some kyara from some agarwood companies and auction in Japan from the year of 2013. Our standard of kyara is the same as Japan. Not from the lab, also not from the smoke, it need experience, you need to see it, smell it, touch it, taste it and burn it.

This is a good forum for us to study and communicate the real knowledge about the agarwood, hope we can wrote down what we really know.
 

EJayB

True Ouddict
The product you sell is total shit, it honestly wasn’t worth my time to go to the post office to resend.
If you look back over your records you will see a sale to E.J. Bullock that would be me. I offer anyone on the website a Free sample of what you sold me.
Shame on you for your bogus story’s , your fake product and shame on you as a whole!!!
This site is no place for you as you do not have a single verified ( not new ) account that will vouch for you or your oils,
Who here among us will vouch for you ?? that is my question? Will any other vendor vouch?
will your masses of customers who are satisfied step up and be herd?
What sultan did you serve? What exact families will vouch for you.
I think everyone knows your story... just because you blow smoke up someones arse don’t mean your at a BBQ
 

EJayB

True Ouddict
My order number was 1111
April of 2019
I did tell you at the time I was unhappy and I also told you it was fake! I spent only a few hundred and told you it was a waist of my time.
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Andrew Salkin

it's aboud time!
Staff member
Wow. Proof is in the pudding I guess, huh Alex.

Can I ask - how did you come to find out about the ouddict community? Can I ask - do you have a website? Any info about these famous families who buy your wares?

Please provide some proof that you are real, that your credentials are real, and I second Jay's point - if you have so many customers who trust you, it shouldn't be hard to find one that can vouch for you, right? Ouddict is the largest and most diverse only online forum for artisinal oud and other aromatics. Between all the vendors and members here, surely someone has bought from you, right?

Here's a really direct question: Do you deny that you sold oud to @EJayB - order 1111?
 

Alex

Oud Fan
This whole thing is absurd, and I am sure it has been obvious to all of us from the start that “Alex” isn’t actually going to give anyone a nickel, not to mention $10K for a photo of a green line of smoke, or a GCMS report he’d likely end up saying was faked. This whole thing seems like nonsense especially given the fact that this person is selling fake oud and sandalwood.

I’d trust EJayB over this guy without hesitation.

I'm not going down to this level of argument if this forum is anything rather than a scam to trick people to buy from vendors pay money here and who run this forum I expect you guys to be more respectful and talk as adults obviously you are all angry and very pissed because I'm telling the people the truth, you are making assumptions and accusations because I destroyed the illusion this forum promoting. it is obvious that you don't know what you are talking about. we gave away in gifts and oils over 40k in the last year only 10k is nothing. and I will personally give it to you if you get this challenge but because you can't you are saying what you are saying again you are saying accusations because I destroyed the illusion and lies you been living on and speeding money for so so long if you are a buyer and if you are a seller I'm sure your customers reading this will know and can judge by themself and I didn't do it with accusations and cheap talk like you are doing I did it with prove.
I can't say a GCMS lab test is fake if it's signed and have a reference number but I'm sure you don't know that because non of the vendor you bought or dealt with even have one.
 

Alex

Oud Fan
All you are presenting are words and speculation. And a silly story about smoke rising in a straight line somehow. The only facts we have here is what EJayB reports about the artificial nature of your so called oud and sandalwood. If you can’t even get those straight, what are the odds that you have anything accurate about kinam or kyara?

this silly story " are the quotes from the worlds most accurate reference on agarwood" (rozi book of agarwood). about the straight line smoke not my worlds not my opinion. you are making yourself look very uneducated here.
are you saying the rozi book is wrong about this ? and the two most detailed references about incense wood that mentioned this are wrong? and you are right?
or are you saying you don't understand it and because you don't understand it think it's wrong?
EjayB have no reports he have his own personal opinion just like you do.
you can say all you want about kinam, I doubt you even smelled it or even hold it in hand. it's OK I excuse you many vendors been selling it with absolutely no prove and you may have bought it and thought it's the right thing.
 

EJayB

True Ouddict
Okay angry Alex I think we’ve all had enough of your provocation and total lack of respect or credibility!
You are a fraudulent seller with a genius marketing strategy and no one but yourself as a witness to your superiority! Congratulations
Now let’s talk cultivated KINAM!!
Anyone want some??????
I have for sale currently sinking and non sinking cultivated Kinam
20$ /gram non sinking
40 / sinking
I do not have any test but I think the people who grew it will vouch for what I offer
 

Alex

Oud Fan
The product you sell is total shit, it honestly wasn’t worth my time to go to the post office to resend.
If you look back over your records you will see a sale to E.J. Bullock that would be me. I offer anyone on the website a Free sample of what you sold me.
Shame on you for your bogus story’s , your fake product and shame on you as a whole!!!
This site is no place for you as you do not have a single verified ( not new ) account that will vouch for you or your oils,
Who here among us will vouch for you ?? that is my question? Will any other vendor vouch?
will your masses of customers who are satisfied step up and be herd?
What sultan did you serve? What exact families will vouch for you.
I think everyone knows your story... just because you blow smoke up someones arse don’t mean your at a BBQ

here are the picture of your messages, you bought those oils bling buy with no samplers or previously smelling the oils, sent such unprofessional massage that shows you have no experience what so even in oils non the less oud (since you thing anything that can give you a headache is synthetic), I offer you the lab tests, respectfully accepted your opinion, offer you a return and full refund but you didn't want that so you can kept the oils and hold it even though you hate it and gives you a headache and through your shirt because of it, just so you can tell everyone how much you hated it, and post pictures of it on this forum that you are a member and resident artisan in it. which is run by other vendors and sellers.

THANK YOU!
 

Alex

Oud Fan
here are the picture of your messages, you bought those oils bling buy with no samplers or previously smelling the oils, sent such unprofessional massage that shows you have no experience what so even in oils non the less oud (since you thing anything that can give you a headache is synthetic), I offer you the lab tests, respectfully accepted your opinion, offer you a return and full refund but you didn't want that so you can kept the oils and hold it even though you hate it and gives you a headache and through your shirt because of it, just so you can tell everyone how much you hated it, and post pictures of it on this forum that you are a member and resident artisan in it. which is run by other vendors and sellers.

THANK YOU!
 

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Alex

Oud Fan
Wow. Proof is in the pudding I guess, huh Alex.

Can I ask - how did you come to find out about the ouddict community? Can I ask - do you have a website? Any info about these famous families who buy your wares?

- I didn't find about Ouddict community, Ouddict community found about us. check out the threads about the perfumist. after many people here obviously made many accusations I had to reply and present the truth, after trying to post our lab reports and full details three times and being taken down immediately every time we post it we finally managed to post our lab test here and you can find it and read it. if you type "the perfumist" on any search engine we are the top three search results. our website is www.theperfumist.com
also all our social media account are connected to it and all active and valid. yea the details are listed on our site. with a list of some of our clients names feel free to follow our social media and Instagram will have the story of the last president we bespoke for (president Saddam Hussain of Iraq) with the documents published soon it just passed the 15 years confidentiality agreement.

Please provide some proof that you are real, that your credentials are real, and I second Jay's point - if you have so many customers who trust you, it shouldn't be hard to find one that can vouch for you, right? Ouddict is the largest and most diverse only online forum for artisinal oud and other aromatics. Between all the vendors and members here, surely someone has bought from you, right?

- I assure you I'm real person :) I believe you are not familiar with our house please allow me to give a summery of facts;
1- our office is in Houston Texas, we are a resisted USA business with registration number: 803101553 / and trade mark number: 5677156 / both under: The Perfumist
we are also a registered cosmetics/perfume manufacture in the USA. importer and exporter of natural materials.
2- we have been presented and reviewed by over 30 influencers and perfume reviewer (listed on our social media accounts)
3- we have presented multiple times on many international magazines including (GQ , wired, tatler, cosmopolitan, vanity fair, house and garden, fitness revolution, conde nast traveller, voyage Houston, luxury). (listed and presented on our site and social media)
4- we are register on a Fragrantica data base and base-notes database as an artisan perfume house. (available on those sites)
5- we have sold out on more than half of our listed inventory the first week we started offering our work to the public on 8 / 8 / 2018 (listed and available on our social media and site) making us the first perfume company ever in the world that one that.
6- some of our previous customers are: 1- Sultan Abdülhamid II, the 34th Sultan of the Ottoman Empire. 2- Sultan Mehmed V, the 35th Sultan of the Ottoman Empire. 3- Sultan Mehmed VI, the last Sultan of the Ottoman Empire. 4- King Hussein bin Ali, Sharif of Mecca. 5- King Faisal bin Al Hussein, 6- Ahmad Shāh Qājār, the last Qajar King. 7- Saddam Hussein, President of Iraq. (you don't have to believe me one, we are working with historians and few organizations to document this, until that time take this as unproven fact eve though it is listed on our site and many international collectors and world renown personality are very well aware of it).
there is much else to be said but I hope this gave you an idea.

as for the customers, if you follow any of our social media accounts you find that non of our newly made oils lasted for more than a week, it get sold-out!
we had over 1200 order the last couple of years, check out the review and post by other buyers and influencers all over the internet, except this forum that is run and owned by other vendors and sellers. with all respect to all vendors and sellers.
Zoran Knezevic owner of the worlds biggest fragrant database in the world and en expert can vouch for who the perfumist is. but honestly a perfume business is not a vouching business and I'm not sure most people here go with vouching, what if the people who are vouching for me saying I'm great don't now what they are talking about, what if I making people say things (like what has been promoted for years on this forum that there is no cultivated kinam and proved it wrong with evidence) what is the people are wrong ?
do you follow people or you follow evidence and science? check out the fact and FAQ on our site to know what I;m taking about. also check the lab test that we publicly offer, which no other vendor or seller here is offering or dare to offer, and when even I tale about it the "resident artisan and experts here" freak out as if I'm talking about miking poison with perfumes, read the previous posts carefully and with open mind and you will understand.

finally many people bought from us actually 9 people who used to be members of this forum bought our oils and left this forum because they believed that "some people" on this forum were not honest or objective about presenting our case of the accusations they made.

keep in mind we have lab test from top USA lab, hand signed certification, registration and legal present, over 1000 order, and over 30 review by top influencers and I have yet way presented by a single evidence or prove about the accusations people are making here, I think it is obvious.

and I hope that answers your question, thank you and have a great day

Here's a really direct question: Do you deny that you sold oud to @EJayB - order 1111?
 

Alex

Oud Fan
Okay angry Alex I think we’ve all had enough of your provocation and total lack of respect or credibility!
You are a fraudulent seller with a genius marketing strategy and no one but yourself as a witness to your superiority! Congratulations
Now let’s talk cultivated KINAM!!
Anyone want some??????
I have for sale currently sinking and non sinking cultivated Kinam
20$ /gram non sinking
40 / sinking
I do not have any test but I think the people who grew it will vouch for what I offer

Dear EjayB, what are you selling ?
cultivated KINAM!!
according to the forum and the members of it cultivated kinam doesn't exist. people went crazy when I said cultivated kinam
have your read the previous posts ?
 

EJayB

True Ouddict
you should read and get educated as the info is on the thread. Tony might jump in and educate as I believe him to have more knowledge then I.
Dear EjayB, what are you selling ?
cultivated KINAM!!
according to the forum and the members of it cultivated kinam doesn't exist. people went crazy when I said cultivated kinam
have your read the previous posts ?
 

Alex

Oud Fan
you should read and get educated as the info is on the thread. Tony might jump in and educate as I believe him to have more knowledge then I.

you said: you should read and get educated as the info is on the thread. (this is your opinion and I respect it)
I say:
1- I'm the one who worked a full GC lab test for a kinam wood, from a top USA lab signed and authenticated by a PHD chemist, a lab technician, and a botanist after 6 months and work. (fact)
2- I'm the one who who posted the only authentic kinam test that was ever presented on Ouddict signed and authenticated with full reference from a USA lab (fact)
3- also I work for the house the was consulted by his highness sheikh Mohamed to verify the purchase of kinam wood for him personally in 2009 (facts).
4- and I'm the one who quoted and posted from three books and scientific references about kinam, which I have studies immensely, and most people here had no idea about (facts).

I can't wait for you and tony to educate me!
 

Andrew Salkin

it's aboud time!
Staff member

Right but there is no way to know what material was actually submitted for your lab tests. We have no idea if there is a bait and switch going on.

Again - 90% of the people who are disagreeing with you are not vendors here. This is not a cabal plot against your company. You seem to be doing fine with your bags of money and royal clientele. If your past engagement with mods or leadership on this forum was poor and people took the time to complain about stuff you sold them, it must have happened enough times for it to be looked into seriously. It's not like some newbie bought your wares and complained and then with no investigating, they decided against you. It must have been repeated. @EJayB has experience distilling oils himself so if he says your wares were shite, I'm inclined to trust him. For the record, I'm pretty sure when those messages went back and forth between you guys @EJayB wasn't even a vendor here yet. Just a regular ouddict member.

Trust is earned not given. Ouddict is a circle of trust. Members trust that leadership will properly vet vendors. You come in with information about no kynam/kyara existing. We read it. Contemplated the info you provided. Digested it. Considered the logic you provided. Disagreed with you. And moved on. Then you posted it again (2x for some reason). We disagreed with you because:

Your lab tests are unverified. We have no proof what material was submitted. These could be fake or old or simply tests of different material other than what you are representing. For me this is the biggest logical fallacy. Why should we believe these tests are testing what you say they are? How can we trust you are qualified to know what the material is in the first place, enough so that you know what to submit for testing?

The smoke test: this is an impossible litmus test. A bar too high. Too many variables to factor in. Sometimes when I light an incense stick and am very still, the smoke goes up in a straight line for a meter. But it's not kyara lol. So this test is already a non starter. If something else has the exact same smoke effect, than you can't say that your test exclusively determines authentic kyara vs non authentic kyara lol.

We live in a fast paced world. A book written years ago is probably filled with things that have been proven to be no longer accurate. Regardless if you claim the book is a leading authority in kyara - the fact that this 1 meter of smoke thing is mentioned in it as a logical experiment for determining kyara authenticity makes it super suspect. That's hardly a scientific process. It's funny that on one hand you are all about lab testing but also this smoke test. Polar scientific opposites.

Look man - can't we just agree to disagree?
 

EJayB

True Ouddict
Alex .. Dear Alex
It’s cool , we understand you got some test that’s unverifiable nor can it be verified . I also am directly saying you sold me bad oil that was not legit. I am not the first to tell you this.
You are a troll , no more.
Your product wasn’t and isn’t worth my time to go return it at the post office but I am totally willing to share it as a free sample to my next 20 customers just to see what the consensus is.
Customers are looking for oud and I myself buy a lot of oud from a lot of different vendors from all over the world and yes I’m an Ouddict!!
If you love oud you would know better then to sell this trash.
Shame on you Troll
 
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