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very true actually most experts (as we personally worked with some Japanese experts specialized in kinam) will know it immediately from the smell before even burning it or seeing it, we make a blind test and wrap 2 pieces in a holed cloth and they would immediately know the real kinam this is because of the strong medicinal notes from the real kinam it's very special and obvious it's very vivid in a way different than other woods which are more heavy and dull if I may say, but in reality all experts and collectors will ask for a lab test GC full spectrum, because this dosn't even tells if the piece is real kinam but the quality of that kinam and in many cases the age. that's why we wanted to share this lab test with everyone.Buy a real Kyara and smell it ! if you love Aromatic woods. the answer lies within the smell. you can give a collector with good smell and knowledge a piece of brunei and a piece of Kyara. He will know straight So much for the abuse of using the word "kinamic" certainly makes me cringe, want to know how you guys feel?
very true actually most experts (as we personally worked with some Japanese experts specialized in kinam) will know it immediately from the smell before even burning it or seeing it, we make a blind test and wrap 2 pieces in a holed cloth and they would immediately know the real kinam this is because of the strong medicinal notes from the real kinam it's very special and obvious it's very vivid in a way different than other woods which are more heavy and dull if I may say, but in reality all experts and collectors will ask for a lab test GC full spectrum, because this dosn't even tells if the piece is real kinam but the quality of that kinam and in many cases the age. that's why we wanted to share this lab test with everyone.
we shared a full GC lab analyses that's been done in one of the top USA lab and authenticated by a certified chemist and botanist, this is the only real way to 100% know if the wood is real kinam or not, unless you are a Japanese Kudo master who dedicated a lifetime for the art.@Oud Sina have you spoke to any kyara experts maybe its worth sending samples to @Kyarazen @acomfortingScent or @Oud_learner who will be able to tell you what it is or atleast if its kyara, im very optimistic about it being kyara but the experts can clarify
actually there are few references from top universities about the constituents of kinam, based on multiple research you can get and separate elements that will confirm if this is real kinam or not. I will publish those studies here for you if you are interestedYou do realise that the lab test - although interesting - does not have much value until it is baselined against a known signature test result right? Would be good to get more tests of kinam done by other users or vendors here... guys, Alex has got the ball rolling. Anyone for a follow up?
actually there are few references from top universities about the constituents of kinam, based on multiple research you can get and separate elements that will confirm if this is real kinam or not. I will publish those studies here for you if you are interested
we shared a full GC lab analyses that's been done in one of the top USA lab and authenticated by a certified chemist and botanist, this is the only real way to 100% know if the wood is real kinam or not, unless you are a Japanese Kudo master who dedicated a lifetime for the art.
1- list of sesquiterpenes from agarwood oils / agarwood by Rozi Mohamed / tropical forest / springer / page 109That would be great thanks
This already happen dear, that's how all major kinam buyer and companies buy their wood, anyone who deal in this business know it well after it's tested and after that test is compared to the known database that's been studied and published by many major universities and scholars. not only that but you can decide the age, quality and sometime exact mono region from the test . this is a vague area for many people as not many deal in kinam and those who do rarely share much information about it.Sure, what you have done is great - you have sent a sample of kinam to a lab who have conducted a GCMS test on it. Nowhere in that test does the lab confirm that it is kinam - they simply cannot do that, unless they have a reference signature from a known/verified library and compare it to confirm.
The references in the report to library comparisons is to identify the individual peaks and bear in mind that there may be different sub-species and branches where the signature may differ - to what extent I have no idea. I wouldn't be surprised in differences in the same tree depending on where the sample was taken from. If there is a library somewhere - or if enough reports exist - to give a good cross-representation of a typical kinam signature graph, then this may be used to confirm your test.
“hopefully it will be published soon and all ambiguity about this subject will be addressed forever .”
What gets my attention is recent references to kyara plantations. Is the whole “kyara is a rare and vanishing product of old growth Vietnamese oud that will not be regenerated in human lifespans” myth just marketing? Or has there been a discovery? The plantations have been there for a while if folks are harvesting now! Maybe they are just Aquilaria sinensis plantations and the scent of the wood reminds people of kyara? Is plantation kyara the real deal?
yes Sir it is, additionally there is another research from that same lady Dr. Rozi in Putra Malaysia (UPM), that has the whole GC test with comparison and constituents details.Some excellent information there. Are some of the reference from that book called Agarwood by Rozi Mohammad? I have that but haven’t gone through it cover to cover. I’ll have to take a second look at it.
correct sir, itMy dram vials of Shoyeido, Baieido, and Yamadamatsu Kyara, have more aroma than a 20ml vial full of Kevin’s plantation Kynam. But the plantation Kynam exhibits room temperature aroma very akin to Kyara, the way the resin saturates the wood is very much like Kyara, if chewed has numbing effects, and when heated is very Kyara-like as well.
I’m not an expert, but this is my guess.....
•Kyara/Kinam, has to start as a Kyara tree, and is not formed from a regular agarwood tree after a very long resination period.
•Kyara trees grow in a wider region than Vietnam alone.
•Age does matter, so an older Kyara tree can develop a more mature aroma.
•No two Kyaras are alike. Some may have a more fragrant edge than others, and some may have different profile nuances as well, but......all should share that Kinamic backbone.
Like I said, this is my guess, I am not claiming to know this as fact.
However,,,
If more and more Kynam trees are propagated, then the likelihood of a Kyara Oud distillation may one day be feasible
My dram vials of Shoyeido, Baieido, and Yamadamatsu Kyara, have more aroma than a 20ml vial full of Kevin’s plantation Kynam. But the plantation Kynam exhibits room temperature aroma very akin to Kyara, the way the resin saturates the wood is very much like Kyara, if chewed has numbing effects, and when heated is very Kyara-like as well.
I’m not an expert, but this is my guess.....
•Kyara/Kinam, has to start as a Kyara tree, and is not formed from a regular agarwood tree after a very long resination period.
•Kyara trees grow in a wider region than Vietnam alone.
•Age does matter, so an older Kyara tree can develop a more mature aroma.
•No two Kyaras are alike. Some may have a more fragrant edge than others, and some may have different profile nuances as well, but......all should share that Kinamic backbone.
Like I said, this is my guess, I am not claiming to know this as fact.
However,,,
If more and more Kynam trees are propagated, then the likelihood of a Kyara Oud distillation may one day be feasible