Joe King
AttitOud
you are indeed the perfect diplomat
and yes I would love it, maybe not the aroma
but I would love it just the same
Musks in Blends
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you are indeed the perfect diplomat
and yes I would love it, maybe not the aroma
but I would love it just the same
Grega
True Ouddict
Haha dearest Rai, you are the best!
Indeed, musk, santal and rose are made for each other.
I pray that you succeed in converting Joe with your rose blend
Fahad
True Ouddict
Amazing thread, stayed on point for the most part with invaluable contributions : )
I'm curious about the heating versus non heating maceration methods.
For those who prefer the former what temperature would you recommend for sandalwood oil? Doesn't heating alter the smell or make it likely to turn rancid sooner?
Secondly the time frame. One of the posts mentioned 3 months. I've heard of 3 days being enough as well. Aside capturing the smell of musk in the carrier oil what actually is going on chemically through heating? Someone mentioned the musk grains dissolving over time (non heating)? I haven't seen that from experience, not with sandalwood oil at least.
I'm curious about the heating versus non heating maceration methods.
For those who prefer the former what temperature would you recommend for sandalwood oil? Doesn't heating alter the smell or make it likely to turn rancid sooner?
Secondly the time frame. One of the posts mentioned 3 months. I've heard of 3 days being enough as well. Aside capturing the smell of musk in the carrier oil what actually is going on chemically through heating? Someone mentioned the musk grains dissolving over time (non heating)? I haven't seen that from experience, not with sandalwood oil at least.
Fahad
True Ouddict
So I started a bit of an experiment which almost turned out to be a disaster but thank God nothing went awry.
Had some musk grains lying around so decided to toss them in some sandalwood oil and do it the old way... Since it's quite hot in these parts people having fried eggs on the pavement and car bonnets to prove it, I buried my 3 ml bottle in a sand filled plant pot in the midday sun and gave it a vigorous shake several times during the heated ordeal.
Have done the drill twice so far... Results: Scratching head? Wheres the musk? The oils gone darker and yes there is an undeniable trace of muskiness but a distant cry from Monsieur Rai Munir's marvelous musky macerations ...Hope to catch up though and I think a 3 month time line seems more likely successful.
I wanted to not keep the dipstick in the oil while it baked in the sun so put a 'hand carved' cork on the opening and that's when it almost all fell apart. As I thumbed it in the sand the carelessly cut cork popped out rocking the bottle kicking up sand covering up almost the entire bottle, even the neck and opening..Was a shocking relief to see not a grain had entered the oil...So I just played safe and stuck in the plastic dipper.. Doubt very much it begins to leach at 45 degrees although if these dippers have bisphenol/BPA that's another matter.
Had some musk grains lying around so decided to toss them in some sandalwood oil and do it the old way... Since it's quite hot in these parts people having fried eggs on the pavement and car bonnets to prove it, I buried my 3 ml bottle in a sand filled plant pot in the midday sun and gave it a vigorous shake several times during the heated ordeal.
Have done the drill twice so far... Results: Scratching head? Wheres the musk? The oils gone darker and yes there is an undeniable trace of muskiness but a distant cry from Monsieur Rai Munir's marvelous musky macerations ...Hope to catch up though and I think a 3 month time line seems more likely successful.
I wanted to not keep the dipstick in the oil while it baked in the sun so put a 'hand carved' cork on the opening and that's when it almost all fell apart. As I thumbed it in the sand the carelessly cut cork popped out rocking the bottle kicking up sand covering up almost the entire bottle, even the neck and opening..Was a shocking relief to see not a grain had entered the oil...So I just played safe and stuck in the plastic dipper.. Doubt very much it begins to leach at 45 degrees although if these dippers have bisphenol/BPA that's another matter.
Rai Munir
Musk Man
Dear Fahad, I was a little bit engaged in certain matters, so couldn't respond earlier. Otherwise, I would not have suggested to bring a living death- burying the bottle in sand- to the maceration.
In fact, a maceration doesn't go bad or stinky unless some low grade oil is used to macerate the grains or the grains have skin pieces- better say the inner layer of the Pod. They may create some stink if heated. Direct heat is not good for Musk Santal, but indirect. Boiled lukewarm water, and place the bottle into that, the way you have posted a picture: the bottle buried in sand. It is recommended while heating, keep the bottle uncapped. But I don't as I didn't heat that much. Now I have said goodbye to heating forever.
It does happen with Kashmiri Musk and Sandal one feels that the maceration has got corrupt after heating. But it is not so. If there are wet grains, again one feels some undesirable smell in the maceration after heating. Again it is momentary. But I don't opt heating wet grains even in the beginning. Now either wet grains or dry, no heating at all.
The quantity of Santal oil and grains in the picture is perfect. The colour is perfect. Now shaking the bottle will do.
Time has its own heat and pressure, and patience has shaking and stirring. Sniffing the neck of the bottle reveals everything. After heating, one feels there is some problem with the oil, but it is all a fear to lose. Let it get aged for a couple of months, there will be a strong aroma. If at all heating is needed, mug warmer is the best option. It is suggested to me by Mr Faheem.
Is it Kashmiri or Siberian Musk there in the bottle?
In fact, a maceration doesn't go bad or stinky unless some low grade oil is used to macerate the grains or the grains have skin pieces- better say the inner layer of the Pod. They may create some stink if heated. Direct heat is not good for Musk Santal, but indirect. Boiled lukewarm water, and place the bottle into that, the way you have posted a picture: the bottle buried in sand. It is recommended while heating, keep the bottle uncapped. But I don't as I didn't heat that much. Now I have said goodbye to heating forever.
It does happen with Kashmiri Musk and Sandal one feels that the maceration has got corrupt after heating. But it is not so. If there are wet grains, again one feels some undesirable smell in the maceration after heating. Again it is momentary. But I don't opt heating wet grains even in the beginning. Now either wet grains or dry, no heating at all.
The quantity of Santal oil and grains in the picture is perfect. The colour is perfect. Now shaking the bottle will do.
Time has its own heat and pressure, and patience has shaking and stirring. Sniffing the neck of the bottle reveals everything. After heating, one feels there is some problem with the oil, but it is all a fear to lose. Let it get aged for a couple of months, there will be a strong aroma. If at all heating is needed, mug warmer is the best option. It is suggested to me by Mr Faheem.
Is it Kashmiri or Siberian Musk there in the bottle?
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Al Shareef Oudh
Master Perfumer
I hope this opens up to you one day.
Musk and true mysore sandalwood oil is pretty.
Musk and Oudh, the right genre, is beyond words one smell and it shifts ones soul like no other smell. When you experience this, you realise why the Rasool saw loved musk and utilised oudh in his bakhoor. For sandal there is no proof He saw did the same.
Musk and Oudh needs more time than musk and sandal.
As for heating, then nature gives the answer. Body temperature is 37C or there about, some animals a little warmer, some a little cooler. Put your musk blend in your pocket and taking it with you, free mixing whilst you move and perfect heating
no ill effects, because that is the temperature in the body of the animal.
Rai Munir
Musk Man
I hope this opens up to you one day.
Musk and true mysore sandalwood oil is pretty.
Musk and Oudh, the right genre, is beyond words one smell and it shifts ones soul like no other smell. When you experience this, you realise why the Rasool saw loved musk and utilised oudh in his bakhoor. For sandal there is no proof He saw did the same.
Musk and Oudh needs more time than musk and sandal.
As for heating, then nature gives the answer. Body temperature is 37C or there about, some animals a little warmer, some a little cooler. Put your musk blend in your pocket and taking it with you, free mixing whilst you move and perfect heating
I am sure it will be like this, but at this point of my life, it is not so." Some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them" Shakespeare said, and rightly said.
Wet Musk grain aroma is matchless. No alternative at all. (Born Great)
Musk and Santal is perfect beauty. (Achieved Greatness)
Musk Santal Rose is breath-taking. (Greatness Achieved)
Musk and Oud excellent aroma. (Greatness Thrust upon)
You are an expert, while I am an amateur. What you know, I don't, and possibly I can't.
Respected Rasoul Sulehi is more than honourable to me, but his fragrance orientation is quite contrary to mine. So my not seeing him using Santal is no criterion to measure something.
I know just Musk. Blending Musk oil or macerating Musk grains in Santal or Oud is not for the sake of having new aroma, but to preserve Musk. But Rose in Musk Santal is what I love the most in blends.
Heating: I presume heating is when something is deliberately done to expedite some process for some specific purpose. Otherwise, here in Pakistan, if maceration is not kept in a fridge, wherever you place the jar, it is on a mug warmer with switched on
.I keep a tiny jar of Musk grains (a bit soaked in Santal oil drops) with me. Why I stress upon Musk Sandal? Because I feel, rather I have experienced that Musk aroma remains 80 per cent intact in it.
Cheers and peace.
PS: Please guide me how to use Musk Tincture. I mean can I blend it in some oils, either Santal or Oudh or any else? Thanks
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Rai Munir
Musk Man
Oh I read the post again, and found you are talking about the Holy Prophet (SalAllahou Aleyhi wa A'alihi Wa Asha'abihi Wa Ba'arik WaSallam).
True, the Holy Prophet (SalAllahou Aleyhi wa A'alihi Wa Asha'abihi Wa Ba'arik WaSallam) loved Musk, and for fumigation Oudh.
Here again I feel that Musk has precedence over Oudh. Anyway, no debate on this Forum. But one thing for sure, it never leads to the conclusion that Musk Oud maceration is the best. Second, if Sandal has not been mentioned, nor does Rose, Jasmine, and even Borneo, Chinese, Ceylon Oud. I think only Oud Al Hindi has been mentioned in Traditions.
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SalAllahou 3leyhi wa Salam.
Al Shareef Oudh
Master Perfumer
Very true, Sandal has not been mentioned, nor specific regions of oudh, but Oudh has been mentioned like Musk has been mentioned. That suffices to establish superiority to us, similar to how ajwa is superior to other dates, even though it is not as sweet as other dates.
The reference to Oudh Al Hindi in tradition is to Qist Al Hindi, as Ibn Hajjar explains, but where just Oudh is mentioned than that is agarwood as in the narration of Ibn Umar RA.
Once the parent is known there after the off spring or product will be simpler to define in respect to greatness. Musk and Oudh both are born great, and here I differ with you on Usool basis.
As with regards to the tincture, please shake well, then filter. After filtering your options are many. If you wish to create and EDP then you can add your other oils to this tincture. If you wish to work with oils and no alcohol, then evaporate the alcohol before mixing with other oils. You may find it easier to evaporate 90% of the alcohol, then add some oil, then evaporate the remainder.
Rai Munir
Musk Man
Dear and respected Akhira, noted with thanks.
Hi everyone,i've been a longtime reader of this forum and my modest english level scared me to register as a member hence posting.
I love naturals perfumes ,especially thoses who was loved by the one, who i love more than myself SalAllahou 3leyhi wa Salam.
With all the respect due to brother and mister Al Shareef oudh who introduce me to the world of agarwood wood,oud oils and blends from his house,i agree with what said brother and uncle Rai :
True, the Holy Prophet (SAW) loved Musk, and for fumigation Oudh.
I love naturals perfumes ,especially thoses who was loved by the one, who i love more than myself SalAllahou 3leyhi wa Salam.
With all the respect due to brother and mister Al Shareef oudh who introduce me to the world of agarwood wood,oud oils and blends from his house,i agree with what said brother and uncle Rai :
True, the Holy Prophet (SAW) loved Musk, and for fumigation Oudh.
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Ouddict
Ouddict Co-Founder & Tech Support
Welcome to the forum. Your English is very good - we had another forum member who’s English would make you look like Shakespeare and he was very popular.
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RisingPhoenix
Resident Artisan
