Discussion in 'General' started by Ouddict, Dec 2, 2016.
This is a great idea.
Dear powdernose, thumb up!
'Virgin nose' suggestion is more than appreciable. This is the best way to avoid the pitfalls that an 'experienced nose' is generally willingly prone to jump into.
I second each post including the one with rules and regulations by respected powdernose.
I like the blind test proposal from @Faizal_p
It removes any potential biasedness towards any vendor - be it positive or negative. I've done something similar in experimental / information economics - sometimes they produce very important and revealing information. Looking forward to the experiment.
If I may, I think it will be better to have some ground rules (std practice) before and during application of any oil - for e.g., washing hands and drying them first, not using any other oils, not rubbing the skin area where the oil is applied, no re-application, not trying to find out the vendor's identity by comparing things from his own stash, etc. Experienced users will not do those things, but for novices it is worth mentioning. The co-ordinators and experts can decide what goes into the list of standard practices. The results will then be even more robust.
as well as a standard format for formulating results.
Seeking to identify a blind sample by hunting for an identical in your own stash is obviously poor practice!
In fact any attempt to identify any sample, by any means, would be foul play. I'd say anyone who can't resist that basic temptation is a bad candidate and should exclude themselves.
Other points you raise seem far less important, but some basic rules could help.
As for novices, my idea was to have a single novice, mostly as means of an equaliser.
I don't think any novice would have any particular difficulty in completing the exercise. No need for 'training'.
Regarding a standard format for reporting results,
I thought I'd draft a Result Sheet for blind testing, as a starting idea, as a springboard.
attached is a screenshot of the draft excel sheet
Loving the ideas @powdernose. Just one point I’d like to make. One thing I have found in my experience is that sometimes one smells an unbranded Oud in isolation - almost akin to a blind test. Immediately an Oud from one of the well known established vendors comes to mind and you think, damn this is so good, so much cheaper and smells like Oud X from Vendor Y.
A few days later you decided to compare the Ouds side by side (a few days as I’m too busy with a 100 other things ).
As you make the comparison, you immediately realise that your olfactory member must be pretty rubbish as Oud X from Vendor Y is far far better than this other oil that evoked memories of Oud X only a couple of days ago. However, side by side it’s a totally different experience and there is little to no similarity.
To me, this is a problem with blind testing, unless a good representative sample of other Ouds are also on hand.
That is a good point.
It has probably happened to all of us. However, the more you go through this process, the more you strengthen your oud experience.
At least I think so.
Someone who has gone through this process over and over again should be more experienced than someone who has not.
Also, if I may counter, you are referring to smelling an oil once in isolation and making associations.
What I'm recommending is intensely testing a cluster of samples. So no oil is ever in total isolation, and you'd be smelling the oils many times before writing any assessment.
No testing method can be perfect
Ah yes... testing a cluster makes sense
Too bad that dogs can’t speak human language, they have much better sense of smell than we do.
It would be interesting to hear their opinion.
Would the estimated age of oud find a place in this result sheet table as well? I read here and there that aging process makes oud oils scent more rounded and smooth.
It could sure, I think one should be open to both additions and subtractions.
In my own view though I would not add an age estimation.
I think it is too much to ask of the poor nose.
I can't see any appreciable benefit to adding it either.
But they don't have for fragrances. Cats have extreme sensitivity for some fragrances, for example raw Musk Root. They virtually get hypnotized.
It's narrated in one of our Hadith books as well of Oudh containing cures.
Narrated Um Qais : that she took to Allah's Apostle one of her sons whose palate and tonsils she had pressed because he had throat trouble. The Prophet said, "Why do you pain your children by getting the palate pressed like that? Use the Ud Al-Hindi (certain Indian incense) for it cures seven diseases one of which is pleurisy."
This is not the agarwood wood but Indian costus: https://www.amazon.co.uk/SunnaHealing-UK-Indian-Costus-Powder/dp/B01MRVRX1E
FYI...2088tea(KyaraZen) has Incense sticks back in stock.
There is a documentary on Oud Al
Jazeera English RIGHT NOW!!!
I’m not sure if it is the same as the old documentary as it has the same title... but here it is:
Is it called scent of heaven??? It's super old if that's the one. Do you have the link?
That’s what it is called... but I wasn’t watching it, my wife was. I overheard some story about a Thai ranger being shot and killed and I can’t remember if the other one had this scene...
Yes, it had. That's the old one. I watched it already twice.
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