Advice On Frangipani Enfleurage

Discussion in 'The Art of Traditional Perfumery' started by Mellifluence, Oct 26, 2018.

  1. Mellifluence

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    I am currently in Kenya and found some beautiful smelling frangipani trees.
    I want to make an enfluerage from the petals and wondered if any perfumers here had experiance with this.
    It will be my first experiment with enfleurage, i have been reading up on the different methods and i am not sure if hot enfleurage or cold enfleurage will work best with frangipani.

    I think as the petals are so fragrant, possibly a cold process may work best.
    I am also debating what base to use for the enfleurage, animal fats or coconut oil, jojoba, or a mix of these.

    There are also jacaranda trees here, but the scent from each flower is much less fragrant than the frangipani, but still very beautiful, this may require a hot process, but again i really am just experimenting here so some tips would be beneficial from those who have done enfleurage before.

    Any advice is appreciated.
     
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  2. Mellifluence

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    I have just started the frangipani enfleurage today.
    Had a bit of a poor start by falling out of a frangipani tree :Notworthy: :Laugh: but fortunately found a smaller pink frangipani after my fall.
    Now i just have to find flowers every 2 days... the challenge is on!
     
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  3. Woodland Note

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    Sadly I have zero experience with this method and I'm not a perfumer too.
    Though, I would like one day to extract absolutes from my favorite fragrant flowers, lily of the valley, Russian olive (Elaeagnus_angustifolia), wild rose and so on.

    I can only share some articles I found online, I don't know if it will be any help but anyway:

    http://www.lib.ku.ac.th/KUCONF/data52/KC4705048.pdf
    http://www.teknoscienze.com/Contents/Riviste/PDF/HPC4_2013_RBG_27-30.pdf
    http://www.thaiscience.info/Article for ThaiScience/Article/62/10033915.pdf
    http://www.nardev.com/UploadSection/ProdCat-337-1448527647.pdf

    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/371358-Best-scent-absorbing-materials-for-enfleurage
    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/362588-enfleurage
    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/406851-The-enfleurage-method
    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/300347-An-enfleurage-question-about-lilac-flowers


    I wish you good luck! :Thumbsup: I will keep my fingers crossed so that you will succeed! :Thumbsup:
     
  4. Grega

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    Oh my! I hope next time it goes better. I won't say "break a leg" in this case :Roflmao:
    Did you survive the fall without any damage?
     
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  5. Rai Munir

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    Oh no. Frangipani is a soft wood tree. Extremely soft. The branch had to snap off actually:Roflmao:. I got from your post that the trees must be more than fifty years old. Otherwise, it doesn't become a tree, but remains to be a bush.

    White Frangipani smells rather strong and musky.
     
  6. Mellifluence

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    Thank you so much for all the links. That was very helpful.
    I have almost finished it now and am very happy with the results.
    I opted for a cold enfleurage in coconut oil and it seems to have yeilded the results i wanted.
    I will know better when i extract it via ethanol and reduce it.
     
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  7. Grega

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    Dear Abdullah I am glad to see you back online. I am curious what difference in scent an enfleurage makes compared to a distillation.

    Will you be making a frangipani blend?
     
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  8. Mellifluence

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    Hello Grega and thanks for yoir well wishes in the previous post. I did hurt myself falling out of the tree, took a few weeks to heal properly! I found a bery helpful guy who assists in collecting them now so i can avoid climbing thankfully.

    With regards to the difference in scent to distillations, i have only had absolutes of frangipani before so i can only comment on those.

    I have one from Hermitage oils which is very distant from the scent of the flower, it smells spicy with hints of cumin, not at all what i expected and hoped for. I think that may be due to it being an enfleurage in palm fat then extracted to an absolute.

    My enfleurage smells very much like the flowers with a clean coconut aroma from the base oil.
    I am hoping the scent does not alter from it's current for much when i extract it, hopefully just the potency increases.

    Yes i aim to make a frangipani attar too when i get home. I want to make a true to the flower aroma attar and another more exotic creative blend.

    Great to hear from you too Grega, hoping you are well.
     
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