What do we feel about cost of Oud oils?

[RisingPhoenix]

Very interresting points there JK.

I share your point in giving details about distillation but clients ask for this because used with this kind of details used previously by some sellers as quality label. So I feel pressed to do so without giving too much details.

Why not after all ? Maybe because you are right again, sometimes it's missleading.

I start to see new wave of clients trying to explain details on distillation according to what they heard, more specificicaly about what they think having understand.


Problem when you distill, you must give basic details without saying too much to not disclose what makes you unique and most of time, client is lost in translation.

Thing is oud is pricey and people want to know what they are buying...

So where to start and where to stop ?

And where did you live exactly in France ?

I spent my last year of University in Avignon (Capital of the Côte du Rhone Region) - and then moved to Paris to work with The University of Georgia to help open a new study abroad branch (spent several weeks in Prague with the program, as well). Was some great times - and a wonderful period of growth and self exploration in my life. I fell like I still to this day apply lessons I learned during that time spent living in a France.

 

[peter4ptv]

Some people will do anything to justify their prices:

Dead hunters, crushed legs, etc…………….

And maggots for the barn lovers…….

can we have maggot emoji please

"I wanted people to see what they are really putting on their skin when they use barnyard oils"

 

[Rai Munir]

Some people will do anything to justify their prices:

Dearest Peter, I wish it were just justifying prices. I am sure it is not that much simple an issue. Almost all of us are always ready to buy oils that are fantastic, without giving prices a second thought.
Important thing is 'to mar the best to exalt the average'. This is called 'ranks broken'. I just read about maggot-istic and distillation post. I remember a previous post about hygienic distillery fully sterilized to have Oud oil free from puerperal fever virus or some other disease. All for what? Not price, but to validate and establish the mediocre's supremacy.

Dead hunters, crushed legs, etc…………….

May the departed soul rest in peace, and may the injured one get well soon, and may we stay away from cashing all such woeful incidents. Such things are kept inside heart, not to be put on billboards.

And maggots for the barn lovers…….

Don't you realize it is enjoyable? Yes, it is. The legends are to be worn carefully lest some maggots might get erupted again. After all those legends were distilled before this BRAND NEW REVELATION THAT MAGGOTS generate barn. Dearest Peter, there are 99 percent things that are to be enjoyed with loud roars of laughter, and not to be criticized.

can we have maggot emoji please

We have to tender a request to respectable Admin. If you want a 'live emoji', that video clip can be taken, if copy right maggot issue stays asleep.

"I wanted people to see what they are really putting on their skin when they use barnyard oils"

Leave it man!

Today respected Tyson posted about the current scenario of Oud, and Nikhil has been writing for months. Dear Farid has said a lot. (May Farid be healthy as he is absent for many weeks).

By the way, STOP ACTIVATING 'ALL'!

 

[peter4ptv]

May the departed soul rest in peace, and may the injured one get well soon, and may we stay away from cashing all such woeful incidents. Such things are kept inside heart, not to be put on billboards.
!

RIP all hunters who died in the jungles.

Dear Rai, this are exactly my feelings also, such a tragedy needs to be shared only among closest people and relatives. But some people just try to capitalized on tragedies like that and show how rare oud is and people actually die in the process. If it was only one time I will say a mistake maybe, but……………………………..

 

[peter4ptv]

Dearest Peter, I wish it were just justifying prices. I am sure it is not that much simple an issue. Almost all of us are always ready to buy oils that are fantastic, without giving prices a second thought.
Important thing is 'to mar the best to exalt the average'. This is called 'ranks broken'. I just read about maggot-istic and distillation post. I remember a previous post about hygienic distillery fully sterilized to have Oud oil free from puerperal fever virus or some other disease. All for what? Not price, but to validate and establish the mediocre's supremacy.

i will quote Ammar just from a few days ago:
<<<<<Those AA glorious past days are gone...>>>>>>>

i think he was talking about pre-hygienic distillery fully sterilized distillations. the great maggot-istic distillations when the barn was barn, not barn without barn.

 

[Rai Munir]

@peter4ptv
Now I am thinking to post certain pics and discourses that how immensely painful things happened to me in ACQUIRING OUD oils .

I want to bring that into the notice of artisanal vintage-ists.

O man, o man, leave it please.

 

[peter4ptv]

We have to tender a request to respectable Admin. If you want a 'live emoji', that video clip can be taken, if copy right maggot issue stays asleep.

issues like this video and the theory that comes with it, makes me so sad that i don't even feel like using a emojis it is just not fun it is a tragedy.

 

[Rai Munir]

I wont get into my thoughts about maggots but on more serious note

Well, I think none wants to. But, last time sterilized distillery issue was discussed, and it was not addressed keeping in view some particular person, but a thread started about Traditional and Modern Distillation. Anyway, it is not personal thing at all. But to speak for some age old time tested traditional art is everybody's prerogative. Otherwise, nothing to do with individuals, especially when unknown to one another.

 

[Woodland Note]

I believe prices are adequate to the product, reflecting demand and supply.

Like with many other markets and things (but not all).

Personally how I feel? I wish I could try oud oil but I can’t afford even samples. Ensar oud sample pack is above $400. Even single samples are everywhere over $20 if you add to this shipping cost $15-$25, you need to pay $40-50 to receive 0.2 gram of single oud oil that you might either like or not.

I realize oud oil is something way more condensed than what you get with typical perfume bottles in shops, and it is in a way like an absolute, yet full-blown perfume designed by mother nature herself, but still... This is beyond poor mans reach.

But let’s assume for a moment that I will put aside those money, and pay $50 for one sample of oil.

What if I won’t be happy with it? I cannot go to any shop and see for myself how it is. (At least not here, in Central Europe) For perfumes there are tester bottles in larger shops. I can put a bit on my skin for free and test if it’s something I like or not. I can’t do the same with agarwood oil. And perhaps I would like another one oil. They are not all the same, right? Indian agarwoods have animalic notes, Malaysian floral and fruity, some other green and earthy etc. etc. It would be a shame to try it this way, get disappointed and never come back again to try more.


So, maybe the prices are justified, but maybe sellers should prepare smaller samples for new clients and don’t charge more for it than they do with a full package.


But if you ask if $300 is ok for 3gram bottle. Well if it’s like 3 large bottles of a EDC perfume (I read somewhere such comparison.) and it’s really good then I guess that price is justified. All in all it’s a luxury good, not a survival necessity.

 

[Habz786]

@Woodland Note the prices were alot higher a year ago and more healthy competition and consumer knowledge have helped lower prices. Oud being on the decline it will in time only go up and up so people should make the most of it while it lasts. I would say there will always be a supply but slowley but surely prices will increase, especially for the high quality woods and oils. Drop me a PM im happy to send you a few small samples to try if shipping can be covered.

 

[Oudamberlove]

demand and supply

D&S, or S&D indeed
What influences the oil market is the wood market, and since the latter is strong, hunters will charge more and oil prices will eventually rise.

But in this case...oil is sold by 2.5 grams
...not by the barrel

 

[F4R1d0uX]

I believe prices are adequate to the product, reflecting demand and supply.

Like with many other markets and things (but not all).

Personally how I feel? I wish I could try oud oil but I can’t afford even samples. Ensar oud sample pack is above $400. Even single samples are everywhere over $20 if you add to this shipping cost $15-$25, you need to pay $40-50 to receive 0.2 gram of single oud oil that you might either like or not.

I realize oud oil is something way more condensed than what you get with typical perfume bottles in shops, and it is in a way like an absolute, yet full-blown perfume designed by mother nature herself, but still... This is beyond poor mans reach.

But let’s assume for a moment that I will put aside those money, and pay $50 for one sample of oil.

What if I won’t be happy with it? I cannot go to any shop and see for myself how it is. (At least not here, in Central Europe) For perfumes there are tester bottles in larger shops. I can put a bit on my skin for free and test if it’s something I like or not. I can’t do the same with agarwood oil. And perhaps I would like another one oil. They are not all the same, right? Indian agarwoods have animalic notes, Malaysian floral and fruity, some other green and earthy etc. etc. It would be a shame to try it this way, get disappointed and never come back again to try more.


So, maybe the prices are justified, but maybe sellers should prepare smaller samples for new clients and don’t charge more for it than they do with a full package.


But if you ask if $300 is ok for 3gram bottle. Well if it’s like 3 large bottles of a EDC perfume (I read somewhere such comparison.) and it’s really good then I guess that price is justified. All in all it’s a luxury good, not a survival necessity.

This is why I do .15gr + 11 $ shipping ...

 

[Rai Munir]

Those who have experienced '2017 Oud-price Syndrome', they know it very well that now Oud oil is being offered free of cost. "Make Oud Cheap Again' had been a farce a year back. Now it is a reality. No body could imagine that some oil will be below $200 (2.5/3 g). Now, each month such oils are being launched, and if description is read, and then compared carefully, that will compete some oils cost $2000. Language is so waxy. One can turn it as per situation.
The Forum has played a vital role in lowering the prices. With due apologize, the Forum/s played a vital role in price hike. This is customers that shape the market. If members are not mouth-pieces, things would glide smoothly. Bravery and democratic wearers would rejuvenate the scenario. Vendors are highly respectable and lovable. But the nucleus of the Oud Market is 'wearer'.

Now certain new vendors have widened the horizons, and made the scene transparent. If it were 2017, Oud Aalamin would have been tagged $ 1599-2499. This 99 I couldn't understand ever. None ever talked about vendor-ing, pricing, and marketing and behaviour towards wearers in 2017. Ultimately, the customers were shy, or skin savers. No more now. Of course, the minutest effect is 'less price'.

The market could be more open, but all depends upon the wearers/ members. Once, the buyers were destined to praise everything. Otherwise, made history. Now it is near to impossible. Now just two ways out: offering in private or making oils legend and re-offering in private.

The most important change is some Oud veterans have entered the market as vendors. They themselves had experienced all murky scenes. So, they talk transparent. They offer transparent. They price transparent. Al Hashmi, Tyson, Habzoud. Thanks to them. If I, the wearer, behaves like a wearer, not as a preacher of vendor, the situation would remain conducive and competitive.

Peace and cheers

 

[peter4ptv]

Those who have experienced '2017 Oud-price Syndrome', they know it very well that now Oud oil is being offered free of cost. "Make Oud Cheap Again' had been a farce a year back. Now it is a reality. No body could imagine that some oil will be below $200 (2.5/3 g). Now, each month such oils are being launched, and if description is read, and then compared carefully, that will compete some oils cost $2000. Language is so waxy. One can turn it as per situation.
The Forum has played a vital role in lowering the prices. With due apologize, the Forum/s played a vital role in price hike. This is customers that shape the market. If members are not mouth-pieces, things would glide smoothly. Bravery and democratic wearers would rejuvenate the scenario. Vendors are highly respectable and lovable. But the nucleus of the Oud Market is 'wearer'.

Now certain new vendors have widened the horizons, and made the scene transparent. If it were 2017, Oud Aalamin would have been tagged $ 1599-2499. This 99 I couldn't understand ever. None ever talked about vendor-ing, pricing, and marketing and behaviour towards wearers in 2017. Ultimately, the customers were shy, or skin savers. No more now. Of course, the minutest effect is 'less price'.

The market could be more open, but all depends upon the wearers/ members. Once, the buyers were destined to praise everything. Otherwise, made history. Now it is near to impossible. Now just two ways out: offering in private or making oils legend and re-offering in private.

The most important change is some Oud veterans have entered the market as vendors. They themselves had experienced all murky scenes. So, they talk transparent. They offer transparent. They price transparent. Al Hashmi, Tyson, Habzoud. Thanks to them. If I, the wearer, behaves like a wearer, not as a preacher of vendor, the situation would remain conducive and competitive.

Peace and cheers

Right on, amazing what ouddict.com has done only in 2 short years.
Remembering the basenotes oud forum times when I was reading and trying to find oud sources other than the only 2 available online (with projections of no more wild oud available by 2017 and expectation prices to skyrocket with suggestions better to invest in wild oud for your retirement fund). Many times oud was thrown in the garbage when sourcing from places like Ham Firl qt-store.
Now thanks to ouddict community people who love oud can safely try many different types of good quality wild ouds from the ouddict vendors for prices a lot less than 2012. Even some as good as a high grade old legends from what I have seen some reviewers are comparing products from @Habz786

 

[Rasoul Salehi]

it is remarkable to get so much new oud at such affordable prices. kuzen/kanzen give people 80% of agar aura's siganture at half price or less of his royal and special k oils. imperial oud imperial naga is a steal. people ceylon, people’s sultan, etc. all provide a huge quality price ratio. but let me play devil's advocate. i have not seen any changes in the upper echelon oils and these aformentioned oils none come even remotely close to the likes of the legends and grand oils some of us have been fortunate to try and be moved by. Oils like royal malinau, Kyara Ltd, port moresbey are religious experiences.

hindustan 1 price? shah jahan price? sultan oils from ensar or senkoh/naya oils? ltds.? none show any changes to pricing from 2017 or before the end of oud (not end of all Oud but end of the likes that used to be more readily available) started.

who wouldnt want to have access to ASO lamah, malek malezie, purple kinam, kyara ltd. pusong ltd., taha new laos royal at lower prices? but i dont see oils like that offered sub $1000 and doubt i ever will.

i personally rather wear a dot, or wear an oil once a week, but something truly mesmerizing and spectacular rather than good to very good swipes multi times a day.

to each their own. no right. no wrong. i just dont see the reason for all the celebration. the day the likes of oud ahmad, twr, ceen, rubaie are made and their prices remain the same is a good day for me.

peace

 

[Rai Munir]

Dearest Rasoul, much balanced post.

No doubt, still certain oils are above $1500. And they deserve to be, TO SOME EXTENT. But, majority of oils are just offered in private. Second, no more sentences that it is a steal even on this price as I have infused my blood for 'you- the wearers'. No more trap of investment and the religion coated legacy for the successors. Change is evident. Just imagine the price of Oud Komrade. Oud of the people, by the people, and for the people. People's Ceylon. And 3 in 1 pack for $300. For people. Now dragging scale to 3 to 2.5. Change. No more hypnotic measures that hurry, hurry, lest you should miss it. Tamed!

Of course, last year there were I think just 200 members, now 500. More views. Open discussion. Change is there. Muana is a reality in private, but a fiction for 99 % of the market. Change. Once a Borneo was $2500. And now, top class Borneos are into the very sphere of everybody. If impartially examined the aroma, some nuances will definitely be missing in high price oils. And the most important thing, no more hollow praising o man o man what an oil. Once shy, now confident. Open market now.

It is just the beginning. Oud Stock Market has now a lot of share holders, thus aroma hegemony has declined drastically. Legends are not offered on websites, but in e-mails.

And the best is yet to come.

Peace, peace, peace!

 

[Woodland Note]

@Woodland Note the prices were alot higher a year ago and more healthy competition and consumer knowledge have helped lower prices. Oud being on the decline it will in time only go up and up so people should make the most of it while it lasts. I would say there will always be a supply but slowley but surely prices will increase, especially for the high quality woods and oils. Drop me a PM im happy to send you a few small samples to try if shipping can be covered.

Thank you Habz for your generous kind offer! : ) It's accepted. : )
I was also promised some free samples by Nadeem (Ouddict).
I can’t wait to try (smell) real oud! Once I receive them I will take my time to familiarize myself with those scenets, and then I will try to write extensive reviews. Though it won’t be anything like regular oud users reviews, because I’m European and total oud newbie. I have no experience to make comparisons like many people here do. So, I will use my own words and knowledge about scents to describe what I smell. But I am very optimistic it will be great and interesting experience.

 

[Rasoul Salehi]

Dearest Rasoul, much balanced post.

No doubt, still certain oils are above $1500. And they deserve to be, TO SOME EXTENT. But, majority of oils are just offered in private. Second, no more sentences that it is a steal even on this price as I have infused my blood for 'you- the wearers'. No more trap of investment and the religious coated legacy for the successors. Change is evident. Just imagine the price of Oud Komrade. Oud of the people, by the people, and for the people. People's Ceylon. And 3 in 1 pack for $300. For people. Now dragging scale to 3 to 2.5. Change. No more hypnotic measures that hurry, hurry, lest you should miss it. Tamed!

Of course, last year there were I think just 200 members, now 500. More views. Open discussion. Change is there. Muana is a reality in private, but a fiction for 99 % of the market. Change. Once a Borneo was $2500. And now, top class Borneos are into the very sphere of everybody. If impartially examined the aroma, some nuances will definitely be missing in high price oils. And the most important thing, no more hollow praising o man o man what an oil. Once shy, now confident. Open market now.

It is just the beginning. Oud Stock Market has now a lot of share holders, thus aroma hegemony has declined drastically. Legends are not offered on websites, but in e-mails.

And the best is yet to come.

Peace, peace, peace!

here is to better days and the best to come.

 

[Rai Munir]

here is to better days and the best to come.

Cheers, dear Rasoul.

 

[Rai Munir]

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