What do we feel about cost of Oud oil?

  • Way Overpriced

    Votes: 47 26.9%
  • High

    Votes: 79 45.1%
  • Unreasonable

    Votes: 3 1.7%
  • Fair

    Votes: 45 25.7%
  • Cheap

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Way too cheap

    Votes: 1 0.6%

  • Total voters
    175

Ammar

True Ouddict
actually i meant all i have is after #120 all his oils are fresh and not cured and comes with some bubbles of water in them but after few days open on the sun they become crystal clear give it a year to see the real beauty.
How did you get these uncured oils from him? Are these samples or full bottles?
 

Ammar

True Ouddict
the only minus for me is there is no barn in it and what is hindi without the barn?
barn without barn, sounds familiar?
Pretty sure that some venders got their oil from him which is fine because he is not easily accessible to us, just like the big Lao distiller.

However the story behind an oil is a different story...
 

peter4ptv

Member
as i understand he never deal with samples usually a tola but i was able to get few years back my first time 1 tola and after 2 times 2 3ml. at a time all of different oils. he sent me one time some kind of new extraction oil sample with one of the order
 

Rasoul Salehi

True Ouddict
I like your stance towards Artisans. I appreciate that you have a vast experience. I have found your posts valuable and the passion for Oud speaks. However, we must understand that other on this platform may have more experience than you. And no one else s experience is lesser to you. If you limit your Oud sphere to ASO and Ensar and AA then such problems arise. For someone who has always bought Nagchampa sticks in a luxury Indian store in UK, it will be tough to believe that same thing costs like peanuts in smaller stores. Gotta move that ass.

1. Samples. I have always been the most decent buyer. I NEVER ask for samples even with my purchases. If the sellers does it out of his free will. I really appreciate it. And they do. Guys like ASO have been more than generous. Thats why I support them with a 100pc honesty on a channel that has 7k viewers as opposed to 300 forum readers here. They get more exposure. You must watch my videos to see how much effort I put to the shot and information rather than makeup. And I put equal efforts for 90 dollar attar and 900 dollar one. 7k viewers and growing. It has taken day and night to be there. Yet I am down to earth. I talk with vendors on a personal level. This forum may seem otherwise.

2. Oud for you is luxury for me it is not. Thats my view. Oud is necessity for me. I burn it, apply it. At times I simply open the bottles take a whiff. Luxury is travelling in Private jet. I have always been the economy traveller. I save for Oud. You dont save for luxury. If a person saves whole life to buy a RR Phantom. He will buy a dream car not luxury because he doesnt have anymore funds to sustain it or maintain it.

3. Zak s oils start at 90. Have you heard of Tajul Bakshi. Try his oils and compare your best Indian luxury oils. Yes at times their 150 oils are exactly like 790 oils or maybe even better. Kalakassi 120 years see the retail price and order No.1/No.2 from Tajul sir.

4. No one is trying to discredit vendors. Have you not seen the "What do you think about the price of Oud" pages on this forum or equivalent forums ? It is a very important part of our discussions. An open debate helps both parties understand each other s needs ans limitations.

5. Price is not controlled by you or me or demand. Price is totally controlled by comparison. Star Oud by Treasure Oud is around 300 or lesser. That is a wonderful oil. It is one of the most special Old school ouds. If everything were left to you it would cost 1500. They supply to Firmenich so lets not talk about GCMS.


6. And pls ask Mandeel brother to show you GCMS of your legendary oils. Prepare for war. Lol.

7. There are lot of sensitive topics and distillation secrets including the truth about many oils. I am NOT comfortable sharing any thoughts on that. With your vast experience I am sure you ll reach the truth. May Almighty guide us. No oud, oud maker or Oud applier is above him. Almighty resides in our mind, heart and tongue. Almighty sees all hears all. I totally believe in protecting the vendors/distillers interest but one cannot be oblivious to everything as start preaching on others only to be shellshocked when almighty reveals truth. Many guys have tried to expose lies on this forum including the most respected vendors against each other. So with a heavy heart I say the truth is eveywhere laid out on these forums for you. What makes you so calm and composed and we are one happy family sorta demeanour. Vendors are bashing themselves on pricing to distillation. So if you feel its not right to ask pricing dont ask. Others will do it.

8. Just about a month ago or maybe more. A very prominent and respected member had questioned my intentions when I liked Brother Ensar s comment on Gaharu. And a load of hurt feelings came out from that person. I agreed with Ensar s feelings in the first Para and how he came to the conclusion or even felt the need on questioning my alliance left a very bad taste with me. I am a very transparent person. What I say or do is exactly how I am. People find it tough to look straight into my eyes in real life. When these fitional online characters start questioning you it sort of scars you. Makes you feel like a threat or an outsider. The point is we all have freedom of speech and action. Even after doing your best for the community in action and not vocally you get treated like this. You truly understand that these soulless Oud hunters truly do not believe in the concept of community. Either way I have chosen to look beyond it. But I did immediately quit the forums. I felt hurt. So if we can talk freely with trying to prove allegiance its good enough. Ensar has been pioneer in defining artisan oud. It is only after him others came to light. Yet I do not agree with his antics or whatever. But it comes merely to soul of Oud. He has been a guiding star for the community and an exceptional support to my Oud learning even though we have never talked. Yet I question about his prices and techniques and he replies honestly. Does this mean I am anti Ouddict ? Oh no. I have more friends here :). I dont discriminate or lick arse for samples. Life is good. My cause is growth of traditional oud and attar industry. My curiosity is never reflected in my reviews. I chose wisely.


I rest my case. I have always been a peace keeper. But I also represent the customer s feelings. All the best to everyone. I have nothing more to contribute to any controversial discourses now. If these dicusssions happen on a daily basis and to no avail. The purpose is defeated. And we all will land up in mental asylums. Lastly, whats a singer without listeners, whats a writer without readers....


dear brother @Nikhil S
my sincerest apologies. going back to my post i can see that i failed to properly make clear whom i am addressing. i meant to only address you directly on the first part of my post and the rest was just a general thought. my "sole" intention as someone new to this forum and the world of oudh was that some of the points that fellow members complain about doesnt exist in other fields. i dont see pcomplaininglaning about luis vuitton bag prices, or gucci sunglasses or gehrard richter painting prices, mr xyz statues, or.... also i dont see any other industry were sending samples and gifts has been a standard practice.

thats all i meant to say.

i also wanted to say i admire your transparency and objectivity. i love the fact that you give each review or comment a balanced level weight.

peace and love
 

Rasoul Salehi

True Ouddict
@Rasoul Salehi:
It is really interesting you have got plus one hundred samples. All for what? To study Oud or fragrance, or the brands, or the reason behind price? I cannot understand the reason actually.

dear @Rai Munir

multi reasons:

1) get a lay of the land. see oils from all genres but also all different known regions. knowing this is a tricky terrirory and for as many real oils there are fakes, with such divided community and IMHO har to find true master who is also objective reviewer and here to train newbies likemyself, i had to roll up my own sleeve. this is not to say there are no objective reviews (nikhil....) or there are no master (experienced users of many decades), but i havent seen a figure to take on the position of being a consumer advocate critic.


2) get to see if certain distillers have a signature running thru all or most of their oils or no. and use this info to help me select oils in future

3) find out which region or distiller's aesthetics mirror mine. at this junction of my oudh appreciation. tastes change. what i didnt enjoy eating 3 years ago i love now and vice versa... e.g i try one or two suppliers's hindi and both are very barny and i then based on these two samples come to conlusion all hindi are like that, then is a fail on my part. a missed chance to try beautiful oil like AA kalyani or lavanya.

4) create a library of scents to challenge myself with blind tasting (smelling). to sharpen my olfactory senses, most nights blind fold on i smell thru 10-20 oils at random.

5) for game night! seriously. with variosu friends we get together and each bring an oil or two, wood chip or two "blind" to the table. we dont disclose anything about it. then we play games. detective work. use deduction to find out the source of the wood for theoil, method of make, age, style, etc.

6) to see how different genre, different origin woods, different made oils age, or dont...

7) see if and how price plays a role.

...

reasons aplenty. some oils are just for intellectual pleasures. some for hedonistic pleasures and some for both.

if we had a publication with very strong and clearly laid out manifesto like it exists with independent reviewers of wine, movies, hifi sound systems, it would be awesome. this critic BUYS samples under annonymous name from suppliers instead of asking for samples (to avoid the 1% chance of funny business) paid publication. one that is quarterly with special editions here and there. reviews to be released oils from 10-20 or more suppliers. new releases. checks back on old oils and how they are developing, etc. etc. i would pay $150-200 a year for access to high quality, well researched, well written work. any day, any time.


hint hint wink wink @Nikhil S or anyone else up for it.
 
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Rasoul Salehi

True Ouddict
@Rai Munir the main reason for samples is to train the nose. Reigons, notes, signatures, styles etc. Also samples are more affordable and less risky and a wise move before buying a full bottle. @Ouddict knows how much i love collecting samples lol

bingo. i shared many other reasons. also i compare samples and proper size purchase oil to see their aging curve. also to keep the rare funny suppliers in check (as reported no foul play yet, but is human nature, with thousand and thousands dollars at stake, the gangs and officials and officials needing to get their cut (mafia), it is not unreasonable to be extra cautious.) if forgery happens in paintings and so much more that we get to use multi senses to authenticate them, oudh oil is no different and not immune.
 

Nikhil S

Resident Reviewer
dear brother @Nikhil S
my sincerest apologies. going back to my post i can see that i failed to properly make clear whom i am addressing. i meant to only address you directly on the first part of my post and the rest was just a general thought. my "sole" intention as someone new to this forum and the world of oudh was that some of the points that fellow members complain about doesnt exist in other fields. i dont see pcomplaininglaning about luis vuitton bag prices, or gucci sunglasses or gehrard richter painting prices, mr xyz statues, or.... also i dont see any other industry were sending samples and gifts has been a standard practice.

thats all i meant to say.

i also wanted to say i admire your transparency and objectivity. i love the fact that you give each review or comment a balanced level weight.

peace and love
Dear brother. It's totally fine. No need for any apologies bro. I know your intention. I have seen you have a very good reasoning and clarity of thought. Just wanted to stress on those points for everyone.
Love your passion and work
I learn a lot from reading your posts.
God bless.
 

Rai Munir

Musk Man
@Rasoul Salehi , @Habz786
Yes, I got your views. In fact, I have to face a lot of difficulties in acquiring anything from abroad. First going to WU, and then calls for inquiry about the purpose of sending money. No PayPal service. Then delivery charges. I liked this idea that one may experience maximum regions in this way. Soon I will try to manage getting samples. Of course, best choice will be from some members.
 

Nikhil S

Resident Reviewer
dear @Rai Munir

multi reasons:

1) get a lay of the land. see oils from all genres but also all different known regions. knowing this is a tricky terrirory and for as many real oils there are fakes, with such divided community and IMHO har to find true master who is also objective reviewer and here to train newbies likemyself, i had to roll up my own sleeve. this is not to say there are no objective reviews (nikhil....) or there are no master (experienced users of many decades), but i havent seen a figure to take on the position of being a consumer advocate critic.


2) get to see if certain distillers have a signature running thru all or most of their oils or no. and use this info to help me select oils in future

3) find out which region or distiller's aesthetics mirror mine. at this junction of my oudh appreciation. tastes change. what i didnt enjoy eating 3 years ago i love now and vice versa... e.g i try one or two suppliers's hindi and both are very barny and i then based on these two samples come to conlusion all hindi are like that, then is a fail on my part. a missed chance to try beautiful oil like AA kalyani or lavanya.

4) create a library of scents to challenge myself with blind tasting (smelling). to sharpen my olfactory senses, most nights blind fold on i smell thru 10-20 oils at random.

5) for game night! seriously. with variosu friends we get together and each bring an oil or two, wood chip or two "blind" to the table. we dont disclose anything about it. then we play games. detective work. use deduction to find out the source of the wood for theoil, method of make, age, style, etc.

6) to see how different genre, different origin woods, different made oils age, or dont...

7) see if and how price plays a role.

...

reasons aplenty. some oils are just for intellectual pleasures. some for hedonistic pleasures and some for both.

if we had a publication with very strong and clearly laid out manifesto like it exists with independent reviewers of wine, movies, hifi sound systems, it would be awesome. this critic BUYS samples under annonymous name from suppliers instead of asking for samples (to avoid the 1% chance of funny business) paid publication. one that is quarterly with special editions here and there. reviews to be released oils from 10-20 or more suppliers. new releases. checks back on old oils and how they are developing, etc. etc. i would pay $150-200 a year for access to high quality, well researched, well written work. any day, any time.


hint hint wink wink @Nikhil S or anyone else up for it.
Very honored to hear that bro. But honestly I don't own or have experience with any 550 plus oils. I have samples sent kindly to me. And luckily I have always been told by vendors to give honest criticism. And that gives me a lot of freedom. But reviewing big oils. Hmm. I am not really sure. I have burnt my hands with Kyara for my viewers haha. And that was it. Would love to have you on my channel if you wish for an Oud Collaboration. Right now, I am focusing on writing Oud reviews on basenotes. I have good friends there who love Oud. I was also working on my blog exclusive for traditional Ouds and Attars. Slightly busy with family at the moment but I will be on it. Cheers.
 

Rasoul Salehi

True Ouddict
Dear brother. It's totally fine. No need for any apologies bro. I know your intention. I have seen you have a very good reasoning and clarity of thought. Just wanted to stress on those points for everyone.
Love your passion and work
I learn a lot from reading your posts.
God bless.
much respect
 

Rasoul Salehi

True Ouddict
Very honored to hear that bro. But honestly I don't own or have experience with any 550 plus oils. I have samples sent kindly to me. And luckily I have always been told by vendors to give honest criticism. And that gives me a lot of freedom. But reviewing big oils. Hmm. I am not really sure. I have burnt my hands with Kyara for my viewers haha. And that was it. Would love to have you on my channel if you wish for an Oud Collaboration. Right now, I am focusing on writing Oud reviews on basenotes. I have good friends there who love Oud. I was also working on my blog exclusive for traditional Ouds and Attars. Slightly busy with family at the moment but I will be on it. Cheers.

god speed. all the best to you and your endeavor. send us a link to the basenote threads you are active on i am sure many of us love to expand our horizons.
 

Ammar

True Ouddict
@Rasoul Salehi , @Habz786
Yes, I got your views. In fact, I have to face a lot of difficulties in acquiring anything from abroad. First going to WU, and then calls for inquiry about the purpose of sending money. No PayPal service. Then delivery charges. I liked this idea that one may experience maximum regions in this way. Soon I will try to manage getting samples. Of course, best choice will be from some members.
Brotherly advise, just pay attention when you acquire these samples if they were freshly and recently decanted from the bottle or being sitting in the sample vial for a while, otherwise these samples may not properly reflect the original oils due oxidation and/or dissipation of the airy volatile topnotes. The most resistive oils are the dense heavy on base/heartnotes oils compared to the intense airy topnotes-dominant and first fraction oils.
 

hasans1412

Resident Artisan
Very honored to hear that bro. But honestly I don't own or have experience with any 550 plus oils. I have samples sent kindly to me. And luckily I have always been told by vendors to give honest criticism. And that gives me a lot of freedom. But reviewing big oils. Hmm. I am not really sure. I have burnt my hands with Kyara for my viewers haha. And that was it. Would love to have you on my channel if you wish for an Oud Collaboration. Right now, I am focusing on writing Oud reviews on basenotes. I have good friends there who love Oud. I was also working on my blog exclusive for traditional Ouds and Attars. Slightly busy with family at the moment but I will be on it. Cheers.
Amazes me how you get that much time while working as a Doctor to run a channel and post with thoughts given time! So, what's your secret to time management?
 

Rasoul Salehi

True Ouddict
Brotherly advise, just pay attention when you acquire these samples if they were freshly and recently decanted from the bottle or being sitting in the sample vial for a while, otherwise these samples may not properly reflect the original oils due oxidation and/or dissipation of the airy volatile top notes. The most resistive oils are the dense heavy on base/heartnotes oils compared to the intense airy topnotes-dominant and first fraction oils.
noted. ty for this. i have experimented with decanting oils like 0.1gram give or take in bigger vials to train my nose on what an oxidative vs. oxidized oils smell like. i am getting a good sense but need more time and experimentation. all of this is part of the joys of oudh for me. watching its evolution, its eventual demise...
 

jalil

Oud bully
very thrue it happen to me last time :Cry:
 

Habz786

Resident Artisan & Ouddict Co-Founder
I think overall prices have setteld and the Oud scene has changed alot over the last year or so. Ouddicts are more educated now and there is more than just a few narratives of the scene. Also many new trusted vendors have helped up the ante and competition always helps with pricing. Also the markets alot more open now due to knowledge and we are all the students. There will always be expensive oils for that niche of the market (the rich), were as before most oil were 400$ plus now we have a nice range of top quality oils for less and more people get to enjoy Oud not just the wealthy.
 

Habz786

Resident Artisan & Ouddict Co-Founder
Also Kesiro is moaning and sulking that he cant keep up with Ouddict, stick to Gaharu as most of the time your reading your own posts. In regards to reffering to us as hypocrites because we praised an oil that contains real kinam and costs 3500$. Go work out the price of Kinam and do some maths, secondly its the first oil of its kind for sale so we congratulate @Al Shareef Oudh for this, i sense your burnt up maybe for some weird reason take a chill pill. Its an oil which is more special than the oils you are used to praising, just wait til you dont buy something and get told to get lost lol. Also he says hes humble student then calls people names your as good as your master and boss keep up the good work you may get a promotion. I own expensive oils just because we call for fairer pricing doesnt mean we cant praise expensive oils that are worth praise ;)

@Alkhadra you are kind of correct with your statment over at the dark side but a more accurate version would be "Ouddict is not one person but Gaharu is about 3" :D
 
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